BPM & DELAY CALCULATOR

Started by Super 8, July 15, 2013, 04:41:58 AM

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Quote from: 64Guitars on July 17, 2013, 10:49:02 AMAccording to the WikiPedia page on You've Got to Hide Your Love Away, the vocals are double-tracked.

Since Help! was recorded in 1965 and ADT was invented in 1966, I'm sure that WikiPedia is right - "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away" was manually double-tracked (the vocals were sung and recorded twice).

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Quote from: 64Guitars on July 17, 2013, 11:12:49 AM
Quote from: 64Guitars on July 17, 2013, 10:49:02 AMAccording to the WikiPedia page on You've Got to Hide Your Love Away, the vocals are double-tracked.

Since Help! was recorded in 1965 and ADT was invented in 1966, I'm sure that WikiPedia is right - "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away" was manually double-tracked (the vocals were sung and recorded twice).


OK, two lead vocal takes it is then!!!  (You guys ROCK!)

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I found a great series of videos on music theory:  http://www.musictheoryvideos.com/

I watched the first three Time Signature videos and I think I have a better understanding now. I also checked a few web sites and music theory texts. I had been making several incorrect assumptions.

  • In "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away", I was getting a feel of 4/4 but with each beat also having a feel of 3 sub-beats. I thought the 3 sub-beats were triplets but I've learned that they're not. A triplet only counts as 2 beats, not 3. So it's just straight 12/8* with no triplets. That is, there are 12 beats to the bar and the eighth note is one beat.

  • I thought an eighth note had a value of 1/8 of a bar but I've learned that that's not right. An eighth note (quaver) has a value of 1/8 of a whole note (semibreve). Likewise, a quarter note has a value of 1/4 of a whole note. And so on.

  • I thought a whole note had a value of one bar. Turns out that it depends on the time signature. In 4/4 or common time, the whole note does indeed have a value of one bar, but that's just a coincidence. It's because 4/4 has 4 beats to the bar and the quarter note is one beat. Since there are four quarter notes in a whole note, the whole note is equivalent to one bar. But in 12/8, for example, there are 12 beats to the bar and the eighth note is one beat. Since there are 8 eighth notes in a whole note and 12 beats to the bar, a bar is equivalent to a dotted whole note (1½ whole notes). In time signatures where the number on top is smaller than the number on the bottom (3/4, 6/8, etc.), whole notes don't exist because the number of beats in a whole note would be more than the number of beats in a bar. For example, in 3/4, each beat is a quarter note and there are 3 beats to the bar. But it would take 4 quarter notes to make a whole note, so it isn't possible.


* Actually, most of the sheet music for the song shows it in 6/8. I think that's probably right because, if you count it in 12/8, the second verse starts in the middle of a bar. In 6/8, all the verses start at the beginning of a bar, as expected.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22You%27ve+Got+to+Hide+Your+Love+Away%22+sheet+music&tbm=isch

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Quote from: 64Guitars on July 17, 2013, 10:22:47 PMI found a great series of videos on music theory:  http://www.musictheoryvideos.com/

I watched the first three Time Signature videos and I think I have a better understanding now.
Thank you ! Those are great videos!

Quote* Actually, most of the sheet music for the song shows it in 6/8. I think that's probably right because, if you count it in 12/8, the second verse starts in the middle of a bar. In 6/8, all the verses start at the beginning of a bar, as expected.
That was my assumption too.



Quote from: Super 8 on July 17, 2013, 09:45:33 AMQUESTION 2: I'm planning on segueing from a YGTHYLA time signature & tempo straight into a 4/4 time signature (it definitely is 4/4!)  If you're playing in a YGTHYLA Compound time signature (ie: 12/8 as now established) along with the same tempo THEN ... what would the follow-on tempo be to segue straight into a 4/4 time sig??! 
Well that depends a bit on what you would like to achieve. Do you want to keep the "pulse" or have the measures the same lenght. Both can be effective.

Here's a couple of songs where I've done something like what you're after (I think)

Keeping the pulse through 4/4 5/4 7/4 and 3/4 (well after reading this thread and watching the videos I guess some of those are /2 and /8 ;D ):
https://songcrafters.org/community/index.php?topic=17801.0

And in this I switch to a 6/4 (or maybe it's 6/8 ;) ), but as the MBR don't have other than 4/4 I used a swing pattern (with triplets) and calculated the tempo so that the 1/8 notes and the tripled 1/8th notes had the same length.
https://songcrafters.org/community/index.php?topic=2472


Quote from: Super 8 on July 17, 2013, 11:49:13 AM
Quote from: 64Guitars on July 17, 2013, 11:12:49 AMOK, two lead vocal takes it is then!!!  (You guys ROCK!)
Yes !!! I can highly reccomend doubletracking the lead vocals. John Lennon did it all the time :) What I often do when doubletracking, is to have one of the takes slightly behind the other in the mix and sometimes with a bit more compression than the "main" take.
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Oh well ........

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Jeez, sorry for the delay in posting this - it's been a tough cookie to crack alright but I got there (eventually!)  Thanks for all the great advice re: BPM/Time Signatures/etc... I couldn't have done it without you (plus 'a little help from my friend' Ringo!)  ENJOY!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsdi3dlDrug

https://songcrafters.org/community/index.php?topic=19310.0