Tone Load function on BR900/600/1600 vs. 800 :)

[64Guitars]

that's really not acceptable to me-that 13 seconds gets eaten up fast

I think we need some real data to put this into perspective. I captured each sample from the STD 1 preset drum kit into Audacity so I could determine their durations.

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Sample	Duration (seconds)
Kick	0.30
Snare	0.34
Closed HiHat	0.12
Open HiHat	1.01
Crash Cymbal	1.71
Ride Cymbal	1.55
Cross Stick	0.12
Cowbell	0.21
Tom 1	0.50
Tom 2	0.43
Tom 3	0.48
Tom 4	0.53
Total:	7.30

Most of the six drum samples are under half a second. Cross Stick, Cowbell and Closed HiHat are under one quarter of a second. The cymbals are the longest with the crash cymbal at 1.71 seconds. But there are only three cymbals (not including the closed hihat which is very brief), and the very short duration of the drum samples more than makes up for the above average duration of the cymbals.

The total duration of all 12 samples in the STD 1 drum kit is only 7.3 seconds. Based on this example, I don't think it should be too difficult to create a custom drum kit within the 13 second limit. Where you could run into a problem is when your samples are not properly trimmed. I'd recommend loading each sample into Audacity or some other wave editor and zooming in on the start and end of the sample so you can delete any silence there. Then you can save the properly trimmed sample for loading into a BR drum kit.

Of course, very long cymbals such as gongs could be a problem. But, for most drum and cymbal sounds, 13 seconds should be enough.

[Ferryman_1957]

I currently have three different cymbal splashes loaded into my custom kit and they don't sound too short or curtailed. Plenty of space for the rest of the kit as well. I did trim some of the samples because they were ridiculously long but you really don't notice it when the kit is playing back.

Cheers,

Nigel

[guitarron]

that's really not acceptable to me-that 13 seconds gets eaten up fast

The total duration of all 12 samples in the STD 1 drum kit is only 7.3 seconds. Based on this example, I don't think it should be too difficult to create a custom drum kit within the 13 second limit.

no offense -but the the br drums sound like, well... br drums-
partly because they are so truncated

i tried to do a whole set once i hardly got past the cymbals and the snare!

i suppose i could futz with it it to try to get it to fit-but rather not

i did have sucess with my latin kit -it was easy enough to do with 13 seconds, but i gave up trying to do a whole kit-i do my drums mostly outside the br realm
anyway

my point is that tone load -a really cool function is limited because of this-for my needs at least

[Ferryman_1957]

Agree, the 13 seconds does create some constraints and potentially limits a great feature. But I'll be posting a track within the next week or two which will use a "real" kit via tone load, so I'd be interested to see what you think of that.

Cheers,

Nigel

[Geir]

But I'll be posting a track within the next week or two which will use a "real" kit via tone load, so I'd be interested to see what you think of that.

Really looking forward to that Nigel !!

[Ferryman_1957]

Really looking forward to that Nigel !!

Thanks - so am I as I haven't posted any music for months! Part of the issue was listening to 30-100 different drum sounds for each drum and deciding which one to pick! It took ages....

Cheers,

Nigel

[pjd1]

Sounds interesting i will have to check this thread out !! like the sound of loading real drum samples !!

[Geir]

If I only weren't so impatient when I got a new song in the making .....

OK .. I do want to try this out too !! Maybe when we've got some experience in this, we could share our drum-sets. Is there an easy way to do this? Is all the samples stored in the same file?

[64Guitars]

Maybe when we've got some experience in this, we could share our drum-sets. Is there an easy way to do this? Is all the samples stored in the same file?

Yes, all custom samples for the 5 drumkits are stored in the file "DRUMKIT.BR0" which is found in each of the song folders. You can take a DRUMKIT.BR0 file from one song folder and copy it to another song folder, replacing that song's own DRUMKIT.BR0 file. This overwrites the file completely, so any custom drum kits that might have been created in the destination song folder will be lost, as they are replaced by the new custom drumkits.

The filesize of DRUMKIT.BR0 (2732 bytes) is the same on the BR-800, BR-600, and BR-864 (and probably the BR-900), so I'm guessing that they are compatible. The Micro BR and BR-532 don't support custom drumkits, so copying a DRUMKIT.BR0 file to the song folders of these recorders will do nothing.

[Ferryman_1957]

I bought a bunch of commercial samples so I probably shouldn't share them, being sensitive about copyright (especially on this site!). Happy to say which ones I used if you like them though.

Cheers,

Nigel