bounce to add FX does not pan?

[Glenn Mitchell]

I did 2 vocal tracks dry on 1 & 2 and wanted to add FX.
I panned 50 L&R and bounced with the FX set to track 1/2
It mixed them together and and I lost ability to set panning and volumes.
Anyone else have this?
I fixed it by bouncing each track separately but this doesn't seem like it should happen.

[launched]

Hmm, I just did that same process a couple of days ago.

You are doing it this way (Just so I'm clear):

Remove any stereo links (Equal signs between tracks 1/2 or 3/4)

Dry 12V1 panned L50/R50
Set volume levels, 34V1 at 0 levels
Set the desired effect
LOC is selected to Track 1/2
Bounce to 12V2

Change LOC back to <Normal>
Select play tracks to 12V2, 34V2
Pan L50/R50
Set volume levels, 34V2 at 0 levels

Unless I'm missing a step, if you are doing that, it should work fine. This is off the top of my head with no BR in front of me.

[64Guitars]

It's because the effects in the GTR and MIC banks of the Micro BR are mono. The signals are combined at the input to the effects, then split into two identical (mono) signals at the output. If you bounce with the effects turned off or use the LIN/EXT bank which is stereo, then it should work as you expected.


   Left ----       __________        ---- Left Bounce Target
            \     |          |     /
             -----|  MIC FX  |-----
            /     |__________|     \
   Right ---                         ---- Right Bounce Target



             ____________
   Left ----|            |---- Left Bounce Target
            |  LN/EX FX  |
   Right ---|____________|---- Right Bounce Target

[launched]

It's because the effects in the GTR and MIC banks of the Micro BR are mono. The signals are combined at the input to the effects, then split into two identical (mono) signals at the output. If you bounce with the effects turned off or use the LIN/EXT bank which is stereo, then it should work as you expected.


   Left ----       __________        ---- Left Bounce Target
            \     |          |     /
             -----|  MIC FX  |-----
            /     |__________|     \
   Right ---                         ---- Right Bounce Target



             ____________
   Left ----|            |---- Left Bounce Target
            |  LN/EX FX  |
   Right ---|____________|---- Right Bounce Target

Ah, I get it - Thanks for clearing that up.

I never ran into this problem before, because I've always used LIN/EXT with two tracks - for compression and EQ purposes mostly. I've applied GTR/MIC effects before, but only one track at a time. This is good to know - I probably would have run into the same dilemma at some point!

Thanks again!

[Glenn Mitchell]

That's probably it because the FX I wanted to add were vocal FX.
And I did notice the = sign and removed it.
So this confirms you can't add MIC (Vox) FX 2 trax at the same time and still get stereo.
Do others all record dry and add FX one at a time?
Or do you start with the FX you want?

[Ted]

That's probably it because the FX I wanted to add were vocal FX.
And I did notice the = sign and removed it.
So this confirms you can't add MIC (Vox) FX 2 trax at the same time and still get stereo.
Do others all record dry and add FX one at a time?
Or do you start with the FX you want?

I wrote a tutorial yesterday after running into the same problem (How to add a stereo effect to stereo linked tracks). However, I don't think I tried removing the stereo link before bouncing, and restoring it afterward.

64, can you let me know if my tutorial needs revision?

[64Guitars]

I don't think your tutorial needs any revision. When you route a stereo pair of tracks through the insert effects of the Micro BR's GTR and MIC effects banks, you need to bounce each channel separately as you described to preserve the stereo image. If you use the LIN/EXT bank instead, you should be able to bounce both tracks together as a stereo pair because the effects in that bank are stereo (they have dual input channels and dual output channels). However, the effects in the LIN/EXT bank are limited to the 3-band Input/Compressor/Mixer, Limiter, and Output Level. So, if you want to add some delay or chorus, for example, you will have to use the GTR or MIC bank using the method you described.

By the way, the auto pan and tap delay effects of the GTR and MIC banks have stereo outputs but only mono inputs. So, if you route a stereo pair of tracks through those effects, it will still blend the two input channels into a single mono signal before applying the effect.