bouncing

[Diego Ayala]

I think i may have a red face here because , i did'nt check to see what track's were going to bounce  i just presumed i'd only done one take on each track , but i had deleted a couple of vtracks , so i suppose a couple of v1's had nothing on them hence only getting two tracks bounced---uh am i an idiot----thanks everyone hopefully now it's sunk in


Facemask93

I don't mean to be an "analfabeto", but what is the difference between a track and a v track?  I screwed up a bounce by throwing it right into the wrong tracks.  Wanted to bounce tracks 1_2, and 4 into track 3 - to learn how to do it...  Ended up dumping everything unto my guitar tracks 1_2, which was a bummer since wanted to keep them clean...  Greeny told me to (just in case) dump all the tracks into the pc -which it is what I am doing to save them from moments of confusion - or trying something new!

[SteveB]

...but what is the difference between a track and a v track? 

DA - Your BR machine, whatever it's name or number, will have a number of tracks. 4 for the Micro, 12 for the 1200 etc.

Each of these 'tracks' will have a certain number of V-Tracks associated with it.
For instance, say, on the Micro there will be 4 main tracks. But each of these tracks will have 4 or 8 V-tracks, so that Track 1, will also have V-Track 2, V-Track 3, V-Track 4, etc until you run out of V-tracks. On the BR1200, there are 16 V-tracks per Discrete Tracks, making the number of theoretically-useable tracks 196, on the BR1600 it's even more.

Think of it as a layer of tracks sitting on top of each other: V-Track 1, V-Track 2, V-Track 3, V-Track 4. When you have recorded on V-Track 1, you can then record on V-Track 2, and so what you recorded on V-Track 1, remains untouched. And so on until you have recorderd all the V-Tracks. However, the number of tracks available to use will at some stage  be affected by the the amount of memory left on your Memory Card, and this is important, because you will probably want to Bounce/Mix Master etc.

Hope that helps. I'm not on my own computer at the moment, and so can't use any graphics to illustrate what I've said. Maybe some other Poster may help.

[64Guitars]

what is the difference between a track and a v track?

The Micro BR has 32 tracks. Its built-in mixer has 4 channels, which means that you can only play back four tracks at a time. So, the 32 tracks are arranged into a table of four columns (one for each mixer channel) by eight rows. The rows are called v-tracks and the columns are called tracks. At any given time, each of the four mixer channels is connected to one of the eight tracks associated with it. To accurately specify one of the 32 tracks, you have to give both its track (mixer channel really) and v-track. For example, "Tr4v3" means the third of the eight tracks associated with mixer channel 4. But the term "track" is often used in a more general sense without specifying the v-track. For example, when we say that we're recording a guitar on track 1, it really means that we're recording a guitar on the currently-selected v-track of the eight tracks associated with mixer channel 1.

When you create a new song, all four tracks (mixer channels) are set to v-track 1. After you've recorded those four tracks, you can bounce them to an empty pair of v-tracks. For example, suppose you create a new song and record rhythm guitar on track 1 (Tr1v1), bass guitar on track 2 (Tr2v1), lead vocals on track 3 (Tr3v1), and lead guitar on track 4 (Tr4v1).

Track:	1	2	3	4
v1	Rhy Gtr	Bass	Ld Vocal	Ld Gtr
v2	---	---	---	---
v3	---	---	---	---
v4	---	---	---	---
v5	---	---	---	---
v6	---	---	---	---
v7	---	---	---	---
v8	---	---	---	---

You could now bounce those four tracks to Tr1v2 and Tr2v2. After the bounce, the BR will automatically set the v-tracks to 2 on the bounce destination tracks (tracks 1 and 2) and to the next empty v-tracks on the remaining two tracks (3 and 4), which also happens to be v-track 2 in this case.

Track:	1	2	3	4
v1	Rhy Gtr	Bass	Ld Vocal	Ld Gtr
v2	Mix 1 Left	Mix 1 Rt	---	---
v3	---	---	---	---
v4	---	---	---	---
v5	---	---	---	---
v6	---	---	---	---
v7	---	---	---	---
v8	---	---	---	---

Now you can record some mandolin on track 3 (Tr3v2) and some banjo on track 4 (Tr4v2) while monitoring the mix of your first four tracks from tracks 1 and 2 (Tr1v2 and Tr2v2).

Track:	1	2	3	4
v1	Rhy Gtr	Bass	Ld Vocal	Ld Gtr
v2	Mix 1 Left	Mix 1 Rt	Mandolin	Banjo
v3	---	---	---	---
v4	---	---	---	---
v5	---	---	---	---
v6	---	---	---	---
v7	---	---	---	---
v8	---	---	---	---

You could then bounce a mix of the first mix (Tr1v2 and Tr2v2) plus the Mandolin (Tr3v2) and Banjo (Tr4v2) to Tr1v3 and Tr2v3 and record something else on track 3 (Tr3v3) and track 4 (Tr4v3).

Track:	1	2	3	4
v1	Rhy Gtr	Bass	Ld Vocal	Ld Gtr
v2	Mix 1 Left	Mix 1 Rt	Mandolin	Banjo
v3	Mix 2 Left	Mix 2 Rt	---	---
v4	---	---	---	---
v5	---	---	---	---
v6	---	---	---	---
v7	---	---	---	---
v8	---	---	---	---

And so on...


For more on v-tracks and bouncing, see these pages:

http://www.geocities.com/sixtyfourguitars/BossBr/Tutorials/V-Tracks_and_Bouncing.html

https://songcrafters.org/community/micro-br-b65/foo-fighters-everlong-cover/msg30698/#msg30698

https://songcrafters.org/community/micro-br-b65/neilfest-cortez-the-killer-(condensed)/msg30930/#msg30930

[SteveB]

64Gs - Oh, piggin excellent!  Wanted to do something similar, but the werewithal is elsewhere.
A point perhaps which, if you've any time, you could explain in a similar fashion for those not au fait with the concept of 'Digital' recording, is how the machine/processor converts the input 'sound' into numbers, and thence how much manipulation is possible. A graphic is worth a thousand words etc.

Very good post, by the way.

[Diego Ayala]

Hey, folks => thanks a lot for your explanations!  It makes a lot of sence now.  And I understand now how I screwed up my bouncing - I sent everything back to the v1!?
Onwards and forwards...

[ijwhite]

64 guitars excellent post, the most succint explanation ive seen.
Cheers

[Facemask93]

Thanks a bunch 64 , that was a simplistic explanation of the process


Facemask93