Have an audio question for live recording.

[Blooby]

A feed from active DI's would work.

Are you suggesting sending the XLR outputs to the house and the 1/4" to the BR-1600? I think I like this.  Must mull.

Thank you, all.

Blooby

[Oldrottenhead]

give an audience member a stereo sony walkman,  with a plug in stereo mic, slide mics down inside sleeves of jacket.................oops wrong century....

[Flash Harry]

A feed from active DI's would work.

Are you suggesting sending the XLR outputs to the house and the 1/4" to the BR-1600? I think I like this.  Must mull.

Thank you, all.

Blooby

Yes, exactly that.

[Farrell Jackson]

Your set up seems like it would work fine Blooby. 64's suggestion of keeping the 1/4 cables (hi impedance unbalanced) short is right on to reduce noise and to keep the signal strong. Make the long runs with XLR cables (low impedance balanced) . If your not using any compression into the BR-1600 I would suggest setting the record levels lower than you normally would, which you can deal with at mix time. I've found the performance sound/levels always increase as the live show and energy gets going. There's nothing worse than getting a decent recording degraded with spots of clipping.
Good luck with it.

Farrell

[Blooby]

What a mess.  Spent about half an hour on both running the direct boxes pre and post the BR-1600.  All sorts of feedback, hot signals, weak signals, distortion. I'm wondering if I have to do this with a splitter box (Would a headphone distribution amplifier work to split the signal (with enough level)?

Blooby

[Geir]

Did you try without the di boxes as well?

[Blooby]

Did you try without the di boxes as well?

No, as I must get the signals ultimately to XLR to go into the house snake.

1) Signal to BR-1600.  Guitar panned hard one way and vocals the other. RCA out of the BR-1600 with 1/4" adapters to two direct boxes. Guitar through the Fishman.  Vocals through the ART.  I also tried two direct boxes the venue had.

2) Went into direct boxes. XLR outputs went to house snake.  1/4" went into inputs of the BR-1600.

Frustrating. I thought for sure that Flash's method would work (# 2) above).

My latest idea is to run the signal into two headphone amps (which I have lying around). I'm wondering if I can feed one of the headphone outputs to the BR and the other to a direct box to ultimately get to an XLR. Don't know if this will work either.

Blooby

[64Guitars]

I think the DI boxes may still be the best option. We just have to figure out what caused the problems.

I just had a look at the ART Tube MP Studio V3 manual and the Fishman Aura Spectrum DI manual. The ART manual says "The XLR output can provide a hefty signal level (+28dBu) at a low impedance, so make sure that you do not overdrive equipment with sensitive inputs." I'm guessing this is the reason for the hot signals and distortion. You should be able to control that level using the Output level control. Start with it turned fully counter-clockwise then increase it gradually till you get a reasonable level. Obviously, the "+20dB Gain" button should be switched off.

I assume that the snake is connected to low-level, low-impedance mic inputs on the mixer rather than line-level inputs? If so, you'll need to keep the output level from the DI boxes quite low.

What is your guitar setup? Electric or electro-acoustic into a guitar amp? Is the amp then mic'd and sent to the mixer via the snake? Or are you using an acoustic guitar mic'd directly to the mixer via the snake?

Are the mics phantom-powered? Was the phantom power switch on the ART set accordingly?

[Blooby]

We had enough time where I could double-check everything. The only think that springs to mind that I don't know if I did to combat the hot signal is flip the pad switch on the ART.

I will do some testing at home.  Our next gig is Thursday, and they have a similar set-up.

64, it's an electric-acoustic direct.  Phantom power wasn't the issue.

What was weird is that the vocals seemed worked out, and we'd fiddle with the guitar.  Then the guitar seemed ok, and the vocals were screwy.  This was done without screwing with the vocal stuff.  Gremlins, I tell you...gremlins.

Blooby

[fenderbender]

This may seem like a stupid comment 
but why not just go through the mixing desk and record as is -do the additions later
If the mixing desk is in stereo -well all the EQ-ing' balancing ,panning etc -can be done later
otherwise a good gig will be spoiled -if everyone is more concerned with recording rather than performing
if there is a drummer -that means all his gear -will have to be mic-ed and balanced as well

just my couple of cents worth. If you follow what I mean.