I Never Said...........

[Johnbee]

I never said that I wanted to be a star and sell out stadiums like some here are implying.

I only said that I wanted more friends HERE.  ON THIS FORUM!!!

I was getting over it.  I apologized.  I owned my mistake.  You all convinced me I was wrong to feel the way I did.  I explained that it came from a spate of depression.  That I was going through some hard times recently.  I thought you understood.  I apologized for taking it out on you.

But then, all of a sudden one of your most beloved artists decided to degrade me once again!
This is a person who says he doesn't care how few or many replies he gets to a song.  He doesn't have to care.  When he drops a new song practically everybody on the forum clamors to give him accolades!!!!
If I had half as many friends here as he does I wouldn't care either.  I would be as content as he is.

OK.  I get the message.

Have a nice life, y'all!

 

[Ted]

John: I think there's a little of this going on here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naleynXS7yo

I learned a long time ago that tone an intention perceptions can go off the rails in text-based forms. And (this is the crucial part) the perceptions can almost never be corrected with more text.

I can only speak for myself: I love your tunes. I think you must be an interesting (and enigmatic) person to know. As I previously said: I'm more than 100 songs behind in my comments. I aspire to catch up, in order. But, to be frank, when I see a new song of yours in the queue, my first thought is, "This is going to deserve all of my attention. I need to be in a headspace to savor this." Consider that a compliment. And don't change a thing. But I will put it off. And maybe not get to it at all. I can't be the only one who does this. The difference, possibly, is that I don't skip the queue. I wait until I can be in the right frame of mind. (These days that is never.)

For your own sake: Question how you perceive the interaction and feedback you get here. Nobody here is mean spirited. And if they are, they get shut down pretty fast.

[StephenM]

I believe you should just be you and forget about anyone else is... you can't control what other people do...

trust me I noticed what you are talking about... forget about it... it doesn't matter.

everybody doesn't want to be my friend... or yours.  not even on this site.

[StephenM]

the thing is I don't care where I go... it is just how it is... and regardless this is a great site and lots of awesome folks... and great songwriters and recording going on... and you are one of them John.

[Hook]

John, you literally posted this on that thread...

"You're right, Ray.  You're right!  I've grown up.

  John B"

None of this silly jealousy is necessary & it certainly isn't the members fault that he might get more comments than anyone else.
You really aren't in the right here

[Johnbee]

John, you literally posted this on that thread...

"You're right, Ray.  You're right!  I've grown up.

  John B"

None of this silly jealousy is necessary & it certainly isn't the members fault that he might get more comments than anyone else.
You really aren't in the right here

So how much longer am I going to have to pay for my mistake?  When are you people going to forgive and forget?  Or are you TRYING to push me away?

Can we END this?
One more NEGATIVE comment and I SWEAR you'll never hear from me again.  IS that what you all want?!


No.  Scratch that.  This all tells me that my reputation is RUINED here.  You will remain hostile to me no matter what I do or how many times I try to make amends.  Ray had to have his final jab and you all seem to agree with him.  I don't kiss ass and I'm tired of trying to deal with people who CAN'T FORGIVE!  So don't even bother to respond to this anymore because I'm not listening!

[Greeny (No longer active)]

John, you literally posted this on that thread...

"You're right, Ray.  You're right!  I've grown up.

  John B"

None of this silly jealousy is necessary & it certainly isn't the members fault that he might get more comments than anyone else.
You really aren't in the right here

So how much longer am I going to have to pay for my mistake?  When are you people going to forgive and forget?  Or are you TRYING to push me away?

Can we END this?
One more NEGATIVE comment and I SWEAR you'll never hear from me again.  IS that what you all want?!


No.  Scratch that.  This all tells me that my reputation is RUINED here.  You will remain hostile to me no matter what I do or how many times I try to make amends.  Ray had to have his final jab and you all seem to agree with him.  I don't kiss ass and I'm tired of trying to deal with people who CAN'T FORGIVE!  So don't even bother to respond to this anymore because I'm not listening!

There are many others here going through (very) hard times. Most of us are just grateful for the supportive brotherhood of like-minded, like-aged folk that this site has always offered. The sad fact is that most of us would never get listened to out there on our own. At least you have a chance here, and it's always supportive and fair - never negative. So I would respectfully suggest that this 'problem' is all of your own making rather than a Songcrafters thing.

Take a break or something. Think about it. Come back when you realise this place is almost exclusively one of kindness and support.

[Mike_S]

John, you literally posted this on that thread...

"You're right, Ray.  You're right!  I've grown up.

  John B"

None of this silly jealousy is necessary & it certainly isn't the members fault that he might get more comments than anyone else.
You really aren't in the right here

So how much longer am I going to have to pay for my mistake?  When are you people going to forgive and forget?  Or are you TRYING to push me away?

Can we END this?
One more NEGATIVE comment and I SWEAR you'll never hear from me again.  IS that what you all want?!


No.  Scratch that.  This all tells me that my reputation is RUINED here.  You will remain hostile to me no matter what I do or how many times I try to make amends.  Ray had to have his final jab and you all seem to agree with him.  I don't kiss ass and I'm tired of trying to deal with people who CAN'T FORGIVE!  So don't even bother to respond to this anymore because I'm not listening!

There are many others here going through (very) hard times. Most of us are just grateful for the supportive brotherhood of like-minded, like-aged folk that this site has always offered. The sad fact is that most of us would never get listened to out there on our own. At least you have a chance here, and it's always supportive and fair - never negative. So I would respectfully suggest that this 'problem' is all of your own making rather than a Songcrafters thing.

Take a break or something. Think about it. Come back when you realise this place is almost exclusively one of kindness and support.

John,

Whether you are listening or not, I think Tim has summed things up pretty well spot on.

I could see this unfolding the last week or two on SC and it's sad to watch. I've been here over ten years and it's always been overwhelmingly positive. I think the die was cast when members were named in person as being favoured in some way. It's not a surprise to see people react to that how they see fit.

Talk of some having more friends than others - and this is not intended as a jab - should honestly have been left behind in primary school.

The comments ratio which is what it all boils down to I suppose unfolds in its own way. None of us really can control it, it is what it is.

Whether you return or not, I hope you find peace with any issues you are experiencing.

Mike

[Johnbee]

I'm gonna say this again to clarify.  I want this to end.  I want peace with my fellow members here.

Again, for the 5th time, I MADE A MISTAKE.  A HUGE ONE.  Yes, you are all 1000% right that this is the BEST music forum on the internet and I thank Oldrottenhead, 64 guitars and all of the team for keeping it up and running. 

It's been a miserable summer for me so far.  My car broke down on me TWICE.  I have a molar that is in desperate need of a root canal that hurts every time I try to eat something and the earliest the endodontist can get me in is August 12.  That's 5 weeks away.  I'm considering a liquid diet till then cos it just hurts too much to eat anything.  Then, on top of all this we found out last week that my step daughter has cancer.  Her prognosis is good but we're all worried.  They're doing surgery in a few weeks.  I care about her deeply. It's gotten so bad that a few times I was actually considering eating a gun but talked myself out of that.  In my faith, suicide is murder and I don't want to spend eternity in that bad place below.

These are not excuses for me to go crazy on you last week. That's why I apologized.  Somewhere in all that thread I said "I'm sorry.  I was wrong".  Then , just as I thought things were cooling down I see that Ray Brookes put up the Stay Cool thread.  I thought at first is was about offering tips to beat the heat in the summer but it was an attack on me!

Ray, I'm deeply sorry for all the negative things I said about you.  You are by far a better musician than me.  Your songs are better and more interesting than mine.  You clearly deserve all the accolades you get.  I'm thinking of  just getting my Martin acoustic down off the wall and go back to just the simpler things like I wrote when I started writing years ago.  I AM NOT SAYING YOUR MUSIC IS TOO SIMPLE.  It has a sophistication to it but is more relatable to the majority of people here and everywhere.  Maybe if I wrote more along those lines and dropped the fancy chords more people would be able to relate more to it.  That's on me.  Not on you.

I really hope that we can all get beyond this and go back to having a good relationship with each other (meaning between me and the rest of this forum).  I don't need or want anymore "lectures".  I've given myself more already than any of you could've possibly come up with.  There isn't anymore "wet noodle lashing" you could give me than I haven't already given myself.  It was all stupid and selfish of me.

Please, let's be friends again.  I miss it so much.
With all sincerity:
  John B

[Greeny (No longer active)]

Welcome back. We are nice, understanding and non-judgemental people. Honest.

Sorry to hear about everything you're going through. Sometimes life is just hanging on and surviving, but everything passes. There will always be a new dawn and a new song.