Are they worth it? I mean comparative to other outboard recorders. If you have several different types is the 800 your "go to" machine. I understand the 800 has great sound quality, but as in ease of use, learning curves & multi-functionality how does the 800 stack up to others like Tascam, Korg, Zoom etc...or any other portable multi-track recorders. Kinda like the Coke/Pepsi taste test. I only have DAW's to compare. :-\
Mach
The BR-800 is a nice recorder. But it's currently $449 at Sweetwater and you can get a Tascam DP-24SD for $30 less. Personally, I'd much rather have the Tascam. But it depends what your needs are. If portability is important to you, you might prefer the BR-800. And the BR-800 can be used as a control surface for your DAW. Also, the Tascam lacks a drum machine and doesn't have as many effects. But in a home studio where portability isn't needed and you make your drum tracks on the computer, the Tascam is much better in my opinion.
BR-800: $449.00 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/BR800 (http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/BR800)
DP-24SD: $419.99 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DP24SD (http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DP24SD)
DP-32SD: $499.99 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DP32SD (http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DP32SD)
I love my br800 and hardly use my micro br anymore. When I first got it there was a bit of a learning curve but as with any recording tool the principles are very similar. If you where a complete newby to home recording that learning curve will certainly be a lot steeper. My only other methods of recording are daws and what I do on them always gets transferred to br800 for mixing. But I find daw takes too much time to set up that by time you are ready to roll the inspiration has gone. The br800 not unlike the micro br is ready to roll as soon as it's switched on. Recently I got an iPad and have used daws on that but again everything gets transferred to br800 for mixing and mastering. At home it is usually just me plugged into it, but have used geir's in Norway in a group setting. That is something I am not so sure as to how to set everything up, but geir seems to be able to set it up for a live group recording with his eyes shut.
But what I really love about it is everything I need is in that box and ready to use immediately and every time I use it I discover something new that it can do.
Quote from: 64Guitars on November 29, 2016, 11:46:44 PMThe BR-800 is a nice recorder. But it's currently $449 at Sweetwater and you can get a Tascam DP-24SD for $30 less. Personally, I'd much rather have the Tascam. But it depends what your needs are. If portability is important to you, you might prefer the BR-800. And the BR-800 can be used as a control surface for your DAW. Also, the Tascam lacks a drum machine and doesn't have as many effects. But in a home studio where portability isn't needed and you make your drum tracks on the computer, the Tascam is much better in my opinion.
BR-800: $449.00 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/BR800 (http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/BR800)
DP-24SD: $419.99 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DP24SD (http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DP24SD)
DP-32SD: $499.99 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DP32SD (http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DP32SD)
I have both of them, and agree 100% with 64Gtrs. The portability makes the difference: if it's important for you, go to the BR-800. By ALL the other points of view, the DP-24SD is absolutely a better choice, at a lower price.
I add that I have an old BR-600 too, and I've often thought that Ive always been more comfortable with it than with the BR-800.
Alfredo
I bought the BR800 -I was under impressed with it really-possibly my fault .
I found it a little cumbersome and had very little to offer -compared to the BR600( I'm still using the 600 ;D)
So I sold it on.
I then bought the BR80 and found that it was worth it's weight in gold ;D ;D ;D
I used it for making backing tracks for the odd gig I was doing.
I reckon tho' it's a personal choice in the end -whatever recorder rings your bell.
Thanks for the the input guys. I still haven't decided which one I want yet.
I notice that the old DP-24 had MIDI ports and they took those out on the
newer SD version...wonder why? I guess it doesn't support MIDI any longer?
I didn't find anything on the web site about it.
I do like the idea of effects sends on the Tascam that the BR doesn't have.
Also the USB connector ports are different (same purpose-transfer) but
the BR looks more like what a midi controller has. I guess that is for use
as a surface controller.
The Tascam looks like a better built machine and has 2 outputs.
The BR has the stereo built in mics and I don't see or have read
anything about mics for the Tascam. Phantom power for both=good.
More sim. playback is a plus for Tascam...drums a plus for BR...
decisions decisions....
As for sound quality could someone please chime in who has both?
Thanks,
Mach
Tascam!!!!!!!!
haven't used a br1600(have used br900,600 MBR & BR80) but i bet comparatively it's going to be slow as hell.
SD card...far superior.
16 or 24 bit
24 tracks w/virtual tracks!
much better screen, better eq i bet.
records straight to wav (no proprietary format)
good, solid build
No midi-I care not but I do see how that could be a deal breaker for some.
No drums & effects aren't quite as easy to use (no flipping through pre sets) but again not a big deal to me & I'm even getting the hang of the effects.
I love mine & I think it's far better sound quality and it's just fun to use!
Rock On!
Quote from: Hook on December 02, 2016, 08:36:18 PMTascam!!!!!!!!
haven't used a br1600(have used br900,600 MBR & BR80) but i bet comparatively it's going to be slow as hell.
SD card...far superior.
16 or 24 bit
24 tracks w/virtual tracks!
much better screen, better eq i bet.
records straight to wav (no proprietary format)
good, solid build
No midi-I care not but I do see how that could be a deal breaker for some.
No drums & effects aren't quite as easy to use (no flipping through pre sets) but again not a big deal to me & I'm even getting the hang of the effects.
I love mine & I think it's far better sound quality and it's just fun to use!
Rock On!
+1
Tascam, hands down
Alfredo
The best thing about the br800 is that you don't really need anything else
One guitar or even just a uke and you can make a complete song
You've got drums, mics, fx, mastering .......
And it sounds good
Even though I do seem rather bias, Geir is totally right. I've often thought about upgrading the car to the br800, if only for the loop effects...I miss that chorus.it also runs on batteries which is always a big plus for me.
Maybe you should consider both! The most important thing is to aquire more gear.
Rock on!
Quote from: Hook on December 03, 2016, 05:49:25 AMMaybe you should consider both! The most important thing is to aquire more gear.
Rock on!
Maybe if I'm a good boy Santa will bring both. The urge says yes, but my wallet says slow down there amigo.
I did find this on craigslist if they still have it...http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/msg/5842644173.html (http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/msg/5842644173.html)
That's a good deal, I bet they might take $350. Regardless you should buy that, it's cheaper than the BR800...trigger...pull...
I am actually going to pick up the Tascam 24SD about half way between my house and yours today. I need it for the 8 inputs when I have jams at the house, but were it be my main recorder (it wouldn't be as I am now a DAW junkie), I would want some sort of drum tracks.
I guess it just boils down to what your idiosyncratic needs are.
Blooby
Quote from: Blooby on December 03, 2016, 09:23:05 AMI am actually going to pick up the Tascam 24SD about half way between my house and yours today. I need it for the 8 inputs when I have jams at the house, but were it be my main recorder (it wouldn't be as I am now a DAW junkie), I would want some sort of drum tracks.
I guess it just boils down to what your idiosyncratic needs are.
Blooby
I am a DAW junkie myself. Did you get that DP24SD that was near Waldo?
I'm going today to check out the DP32SD. The only thing I don't understand
is why TASCAM would take away 2 essential tools (MIDI connectors and CD burner)
from their original design. The fact that you cannot sync midi to this model
renders it a downgrade instead of an upgrade IMO. I dont get the reasoning
behind lessening functionality. Anyway, I still think it's a great find as they are
including powered monitors and cables in the deal.
Quote from: Mach on December 04, 2016, 08:50:48 AMI am a DAW junkie myself. Did you get that DP24SD that was near Waldo? I'm going today to check out the DP32SD. The only thing I don't understand is why TASCAM would take away 2 essential tools (MIDI connectors and CD burner) from their original design. The fact that you cannot sync midi to this model renders it a downgrade instead of an upgrade IMO. I dont get the reasoning behind lessening functionality. Anyway, I still think it's a great find as they are including powered monitors and cables in the deal.
It turns out the guy had errands to run in Gainesville, so I didn't even have to make too much of a drive. It included a foot switch as well to record and stop remotely (handy in my situation during jams).
Since I am DAW-oriented these days, I'm just going to export the files (you can export multiple files at a time), so the lack of CD burner doesn't phase me in the least. The one thing I can't figure out is what the recording time limits are. I want to get a couple 32 GB cards, but I can't figure out how much recording time that will hold (8 wav tracks at a time).
I got mine mainly for the 8 simultaneous inputs for band recording (my very old BR-1600CD is ailing). Since I don't have any jams in the foreseeable future, you could certainly borrow the unit for a while. We could either meet half way, or I am picking up somebody at the JAX Airport on Xmas afternoon, and I could drop it off. Let me know.
Blooby
Quote from: Blooby on December 04, 2016, 10:25:44 AMThe one thing I can't figure out is what the recording time limits are. I want to get a couple 32 GB cards, but I can't figure out how much recording time that will hold (8 wav tracks at a time).
If I'm not mistaken, you can expect the following record times for a single track (mono) with a 32 GB card:
| File Format | Time (hours:minutes) |
| 16-bit 44.1 kHz WAV | 107:44 |
| 16-bit 48 kHz WAV | 99:12 |
| 24-bit 44.1 kHz WAV | 72:00 |
| 24-bit 48 kHz WAV | 66:08 |
That's for a single track, so you'd divide those times by the number of tracks used. For example, if you used 8 tracks, the maximum total record time with a 32 GB card would be:
| File Format | Time (hours:minutes) |
| 16-bit 44.1 kHz WAV | 13:28 |
| 16-bit 48 kHz WAV | 12:24 |
| 24-bit 44.1 kHz WAV | 9:00 |
| 24-bit 48 kHz WAV | 8:16 |
HOWEVER, a 32 GB card will be formatted with FAT32 which has a file size limit of 4,294,967,295 bytes (about 4 GiB). Therefore, you can expect the following maximum times
per song:
Approximate record times per song for a single track (mono):
| File Format | Time (hours:minutes) |
| 16-bit 44.1 kHz WAV | 13:28 |
| 16-bit 48 kHz WAV | 12:24 |
| 24-bit 44.1 kHz WAV | 9:00 |
| 24-bit 48 kHz WAV | 8:16 |
Approximate record times per song for 8 tracks:
| File Format | Time (hours:minutes) |
| 16-bit 44.1 kHz WAV | 1:41 |
| 16-bit 48 kHz WAV | 1:33 |
| 24-bit 44.1 kHz WAV | 1:07 |
| 24-bit 48 kHz WAV | 1:02 |
So, the bottom line is that, with a 32 GB SDHC card, you can expect to record 8 tracks for about an hour to an hour and 40 minutes, depending on the recording format you choose. Once that time is exceeded, you can create a new song and record for another hour to an hour and 40 minutes, and so on up to a total of about 8 hours to 13½ hours, depending on the recording format.
so many numbers...64...brain can't handle...math...time...running out...none to waste...nooooo
In my experience, I have a 32gig card sitting here with 15 songs, each 2-5mins. with 8-24 tracks used at 16bit. I'm a little scared of 24bit, actually typing hat makes it more stupid sounding than when I just think it.
Perhaps I'm reading the screen wrong & Ive hardly cracked the manual (theres another +++) but I can't really tell how much time is left. I'm sure page WTF of the manual would educate me in minutes but I woudn't be too nervouse about starting song 16.
I'm proud of you Blooby & I think you'll find the mixing/eq/matestering pretty useable and quality sounding. Might make it quicker to not transfer...faders man..faders! The transfer is quite easy and fast, it has an audio depot file you drag what you want on the DP24 there, plug in card and import...fast. Since it store the recordings in wav file (big +) you jut go into the song file to retrieve your master (& pre master mix) by dragging right to your desktop or into daw to clip ends and normalise.
The midi removal seems to have upset most of the Tascam die hards who love their 2400neo's. Since I have no interest in midi it matters not to me. wouldn't your controller handle the midi connections & you would just be plugging the device straight in?
The CD player (in my opinion) is completely unnecessary with the SDcard & usb connections. It's so easy to transfer tracks I wouldn't want to wait for the burn time, a lap top or PC is always faster than the installed ones. They are only useful for backing up proprietary formats nowadays. they also tend to be the first part to quite working...I say good riddance CD burner!
Rock on my friends!
I have a 32gb sd card. For my br800 it has a few songs on it, for sure. Rock on thingy bob.
I thought my kettle had midi but guess what? Three pins.
Next time I get a kettle it better have USB.
Quote from: Oldrottenhead on December 04, 2016, 04:29:02 PMNext time I get a kettle it better have USB.
Either a kettle is something completely different in Scotland or you my good sir are very drunk! I love drunk James.
Rock on!
Quote from: Blooby on December 04, 2016, 10:25:44 AMSince I don't have any jams in the foreseeable future, you could certainly borrow the unit for a while. We could either meet half way, or I am picking up somebody at the JAX Airport on Xmas afternoon, and I could drop it off. Let me know.
Blooby
Hey Blooby thanks for the generous offer that is really cool man, I appreciate it. But I am now the proud owner of practically a brand spankin' new DP32SD with JBL monitors and cables thrown in. This thing has really never been used and the card has nothing on it except a demo song, I am guessing it's on the card and from Tascam. The guy who had it didn't know how it worked, so I scanned through the manual on a few pages to get an idea just to make sure that it did work and I had sound going in and coming out within minutes. I even got it for less than he was asking.
I don't have a need for a CD burner either, never really have, but MIDI ports would be a plus to sync up with Pro Tools. However, there is always more than one way to skin a cat. ;)
That's so badass...I wonder if I need those extra 8 tracks??
Congrats to both of you on the new boards. Shit is so much fun to buy!
ROCK ON!
Quote from: Hook on December 04, 2016, 07:34:47 PMI wonder if I need those extra 8 tracks??
That response is so you. I guess it's me as well.
I read this article with interest I have a Br 800 ,BR 8 , and a micro , and for about a year know I have thought about upgrading , but not much has evolved with Stand alone recorders at least on the BOSS side of things , I have kept some money aside for the "new" do it all recorder with better and faster processing and usability but as we all know the market seems to have dropped and disappeared , then I discovered the Tascam line and thought , this is it, this is the way forward !!! but no drums , ok I could get round that with buying a dedicated recorder , or use the Boss 800 software etc , but I would still use the 800 , so whats the point !! I could use the CD burner , but I could use my PC for that as to, i love the look and feel of the DP 24, but is it worth the extra couple of quid ?
My happy dilemma continues
Paul
Quote from: pjd1 on December 05, 2016, 12:42:37 PMi love the look and feel of the DP 24, but is it worth the extra couple of quid ?
My happy dilemma continues
Paul
I was in the same dilemma but found a deal I couldn't pass up with the DP32SD.
See if you can locate one used on craigslist or something.
I have just sat and looked at mine so far, it's so purdy I don't wanna mess it up.
I wanna touch it (in the proper way of course). :D
Blooby congrats on your find also. These machines are very nice now I just have
to learn how to use it (in the proper way of course).
Ha love it Mach you will have to let me know how you get and share your experiences with your new toy , ( in the proper way of course )
Quote from: Hook on December 04, 2016, 05:46:07 PMQuote from: Oldrottenhead on December 04, 2016, 04:29:02 PMNext time I get a kettle it better have USB.
Either a kettle is something completely different in Scotland or you my good sir are very drunk! I love drunk James.
Rock on!
I have no recollection of this post.
Quote from: Oldrottenhead on December 04, 2016, 04:29:02 PMNext time I get a kettle it better have USB.
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Well I'll be damned!
Quote from: 64Guitars on December 06, 2016, 11:12:53 AMQuote from: Oldrottenhead on December 04, 2016, 04:29:02 PMNext time I get a kettle it better have USB.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Free-shipping-Blue-USB-Electric-Kettle-Coffee-Tea-Water-Beverage-Mug-Cup-Heater/191577607587?_trksid=p2047675.c100012.m1985 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Free-shipping-Blue-USB-Electric-Kettle-Coffee-Tea-Water-Beverage-Mug-Cup-Heater/191577607587?_trksid=p2047675.c100012.m1985)
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So does it download the the tea right from the Internet?
In tea net sorry lads
Quote from: pjd1 on December 06, 2016, 02:37:16 PMIn tea net sorry lads
Get back to work.... ;D ;D ;D
My Tascam DP32SD's card has no markings on it to indicate what size it is. I can't find anything on the screen display or in the manual that tells how to see what size and how much space/time is remaining.
Is there a way to do this?
Thanks,
Mach
I believe the remaining time in hours and minutes is shown on the main display:
(https://songcrafters.org/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26011.0;attach=186148)
(from page 21 of the GP-32SD manual)
Also, there is an Information screen (see page 61 of the DP-32SD manual) which shows the total size of the card and the space remaining.
(https://songcrafters.org/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26011.0;attach=186149)
Another way to find the size of the card would be to put it into an SD card reader attached to your computer, then right-click on the drive icon and select Properties.
Thanks 64G, I think I looked right at that and missed it...over-tired looking at a manual...I have an SD reader on my laptop, didn't think of that either. Thanks so much you're the best.
Mach
does anyone know if boss br have their own user forum ?
i've googled for a while but not find it yet.
thanks all.
Quote from: patentstm on December 21, 2016, 12:20:24 AMdoes anyone know if boss br have their own user forum ?
i've googled for a while but not find it yet.
thanks all.
I think you've found it ;D
No seriously.
You've found the next best thing .... well strike that ... you've found a better thing !!!
I don't think you'll find a more active and helpful community than this place !
There's a LOT of BR-users here. Many of us have owned and (ab)used several (MicroBR, BR800 and MicroBR80 in my case) and our brilliant admin 64Guitars can answer the most intricate questions !!
Geir beat me to the punch. So ditto what he said.
Although this site has no affiliations to Boss. It started as a forum for Micro BR users many years ago and has exponentially developed to include users of newer and older BR models but also users of other standalone recorders and DAWs too.
nice to hear that.
i am considering about getting a br-800.
in fact i just rent one from a local dealer.
I used to record sounds by a small soundcraft mixer,
the BR-800 operations is apparently different from old mixer.
should I ask questions in a new post? or just following this one?
thank you all~
Quote from: patentstm on December 21, 2016, 06:14:55 PMshould I ask questions in a new post? or just following this one?
Ask your questions in a new topic (https://songcrafters.org/forum/index.php?action=post;board=108.0) please.
:)
i posted my questions in another thread.
Hooah