re-recording through a modeler

[Mach]

Hi all,

Has anyone ever tried recording a dry guitar track, then playing it back out from the output jack into a modeler, then back into the line-in to re-record on a different track?

I have tried different combos of hook-ups through my external mixer but I get a high pitched, squealing feedback with the input levels. I can only get a faint input level of about 2 bars on the indicator.

Any suggestions?

Thanks, Mach

[tony]

You can record a track dry and then apply effects within the MBR.  You can record a track dry and then export it to your DAW and apply effects and then import back to the MBR.  I take it you want to do something else.  Record a track dry and play the audio signal into a modeler and then back into the MBR.  By modeler do you mean something like the Line6 M9?  I have never tried it because the first two options covered the bases for me.  I can only imagine that the problem is to do with cables and things and not the logic of the process.  Sorry I can't help but I wanted to clarify what you were asking.

[64Guitars]

The input signal is always included in the BR's output so that you can hear what you're recording. Unfortunately, this results in a feedback loop when you route the Line Out signal back into the Line In. You might be able to get around this by using different channels for input and output.

Connect only the left channel of the BR's Line Out into your modeller. Then connect the output of the modeller to only the right channel of the BR's Line In. Record to a pair of tracks, even though you're only recording a single (mono) channel. Otherwise, the input signal would be split between the left and right channels, resulting in a feedback loop because the left channel input would be fed back into the modeller.

Of course, this technique only works with mono signals. If your modeller has stereo effects, you won't be able to use them unless you combine the two channels into a mono output.

An easier way to achieve the same result is to pan the dry track full left and pan the input full right. Unfortunately, as far as I can tell from the manual, the Micro BR doesn't allow you to change the Input Pan setting as all of the other BRs do. I suppose that it's possible they just forgot to include that info in the manual. If so, you'd get to the Input Pan setting by going to the Track Pan screen and pressing the cursor left button until you get past track 1. If you can't get past track 1, then the Micro BR doesn't have an Input Pan parameter.

[Mach]

The input signal is always included in the BR's output so that you can hear what you're recording.

I am running the output of the MBR directly to the J-Station(modeller) input then out of the JS outputs to a stereo input on my mixer. I then have the signal from the mixer inputs run out of the post aux., so I can control the volume, back to the MBR's line in. I am monitoring this from the main outs on the mixer. So my output signal from my stereo channel is the only thing that goes to the MBR input. Just like a guitar plugged in.

Connect only the left channel of the BR's Line Out into your modeller. Then connect the output of the modeller to only the right channel of the BR's Line In.

How would I do this? The output of the MBR is an 1/8'' stereo jack and the same for the line in. Is there a way to get separation at the jacks?

Record to a pair of tracks, even though you're only recording a single (mono) channel. Otherwise, the input signal would be split between the left and right channels, resulting in a feedback loop because the left channel input would be fed back into the modeller.

I tried play back/recording from the already recorded mono dry track from V1 to V2 through the modeller. I do get a weak signal as long as I keep the volume down at all levels to avoid feedback. But playback produces a very low volume on the track. I could try 2 tracks or just copy and paste for a better volume level.

Of course, this technique only works with mono signals. If your modeller has stereo effects, you won't be able to use them unless you combine the two channels into a mono output.

I might need to change the output on the JS to mono.

I have done this before with midi tracks through the ins & outs of my sound card, through the JS and mixer, on my computer with Sound Forge instead of using sound fonts. It worked great!

I have just been trying to use my MBR a little more to get away form the PC and find more options for different sounds.

Thanks for the input and suggestions 64 guitars, my quest for achievement is never-ending

[Ted]

This sounds like a job for a DAW.  But if you don't have one, you might consider exporting your dry track to an MP3 or a WAV file.  Put it on an MP3 player, then play the output into your modeler, and output your modeler into the Micro BR.

Now doubt your new track(s) will be out of sync with any other tracks you may have recorded, but you can use the MOV command to get them in sync.

[64Guitars]

Connect only the left channel of the BR's Line Out into your modeller. Then connect the output of the modeller to only the right channel of the BR's Line In.

How would I do this? The output of the MBR is an 1/8'' stereo jack and the same for the line in. Is there a way to get separation at the jacks?

You need a Y adapter like this, this, or this, for example (assuming that your mixer's output jacks are 1/4" phone jacks).

I might need to change the output on the JS to mono.

Yes. See "Output Mode" at the top of page 28 of the J-Station manual. Alternatively, you might be able to set your mixer's output to mono. Then just use one of the output jacks rather than both.

[cuthbert]

Unfortunately, as far as I can tell from the manual, the Micro BR doesn't allow you to change the Input Pan setting as all of the other BRs do. I suppose that it's possible they just forgot to include that info in the manual. If so, you'd get to the Input Pan setting by going to the Track Pan screen and pressing the cursor left button until you get past track 1. If you can't get past track 1, then the Micro BR doesn't have an Input Pan parameter.

Unfortunately, it isn't possible to pan the input of the MicroBR - only the channels can be panned. This was one of my early technical hurdles with the silver brick, and a workflow that I had commonly used in my cassette multitracking days.

But in learning more about the workflow using the MicroBR and how it seems to function best as a self-contained unit which combines microphone, mixer, effects, and recorder, I have since learned to live with this minor limitation.