Does ANYONE know the answer to this???

[Super 8]

I'm trying to find a way to high & low pass filter an entire album's worth of material recorded on a BR1600. Yes, I can export to a DAW but it takes forever & I'd much prefer to keep this whole project (and future ones) entirely  'in-the-box' as it were. I sent the following message to Roland support but had no joy. Can anyone here offer an answer?

MY MESSAGE TO ROLAND:
Hi! Can you explain the procedure to me of how to perform a 'High Pass Filter' (low cut) on pre-recorded tracks just using the EQ built into the BOSS BR1600CD? For example: I don't require to 'shape' the recorded sound, I just want to filter out frequenices below say, 60 Hz on a bass track .for example. How (exactly!) would I do this using the BR1600 unit please? I look forward to hearing from you.

ROLAND REPLY:
Thank you for your email. Support for the BR range has come to an end due to the age of the item.

[TheOtherEric]

Well I don't know for sure but from what you're describing, if it were me, I'd start by trying something like this:

1. Read pages 78 through 92 if you want some background.

2. This procedure will attempt to use Insert Effects for a low-cut

3. Near the top left side of the BR1600 there are 4 buttons (above the red "COSM effects" button and below the "level calibration" button) labeled Guitar/Bass; Vocal; Multi-track; and Stereo tracks. When you've located them push the "Multi-track" button.

4. Push the "COSM effects" button to bring the effects panel to the screen. The button should be red.

5. Push "F3" which is the "location" button

6. Turn the value wheel until it says "TRACK 1-8" or "TRACK 9-16" depending on which tracks you are currently filtering and hit "F4" for enter.

7. with the Patch highlighted (it should be after you hit "F4" above turn the value wheel counter clockwise and select either a Song Patch or a User Patch (song if you want this patch just for this song or user if you want it generally available). Select, for example, song patch S010

8. Press "F2", the "edit" button and that should bring up the effects chain for your 8 selected tracks from step 6

9. on mine the 3 effects in each track chain are "LCUT"; "COMP"; and "EQ".

10. if you only want the "LCUT"  which is the low cut filter, you can disable the compression and eq by cursoring over to each effect and pressing "F3" the PRM. button. Then use the scroll wheel to turn that effect off (it will dim in the chain display to the left of the screen)

11. cursor down the screen to each effect and scroll it off (the scroll wheel is still active so you don't need to push "F3" each time

12. once you've, optionally, disable the eq and compression cursor to the LCUT effect, push "F3" PRM. and set the frequency for the cutoff.

13. when you are done push "F4" write/copy and push "F4" Go.

14. then bounce those tracks as normal

15. if you need track 9-16 then set up a second patch in, for example, S009 and bounce those tracks as normal

16. If that all works then do the same for a high pass filter

17. let us know if that works    I'm not sure if it will do what you want but that's where I'd start. 

I hope that gives you a starting point. Maybe you can fool around with the insert effects if these instructions don't do exactly what you need.

Eric

[Super 8]

Hey Eric! Thanks so much for your informative reply - very much appreciated! I shall print out the above and try putting your advice into action. I feel I may have got 'the wrong end of the stick' where this is concerned. To date I haven't thought about using the FX to filter, I had been solely concentrating on trying to apply filter cuts using the built-in EQ section. When I hit a roadblock with this I have ended up taking individual tracks out to a DAW (Reaper) on my laptop which, I admit is a real headache! Like I say, I much prefer to work 'within the box'. Thing is, the tracks I've managed to export to the DAW so far, once I get them across it's relatively straight forward to do both a High Pass & a Low Pass Filter and to audibly be able to 'zone in' on exactly where you want to make the cuts. If I do end up being able to do cuts within the BR1600 I think I'm going to miss this 'hearing where to make the cut' aspect but, that said, it will save me a hell of a lot of time not having to export then re-import everything! Anyway again, thanks very much for the advice . I'm off to try and put it into practice 

[TheOtherEric]

I hope it works for you.

I think if you just hit play while you're editing the LCUT filter you can move the cutoff point with the scroll wheel to hear the filter being applied while the song is playing. Maybe mute all the tracks except the one you're applying the LCUT filter to.

I haven't tried something like that in a long time though so I'm not sure. But, give it a try while you're in edit mode.

Eric

[Super 8]

You're right! OK, progress ... THANK YOU! For these, err, 'effect changes to take effect' as it were I'm gonna have to bounce record each track I make filter changes to onto another track (in real time). My next dilemma is: where to bounce to? All my V1 tracks are full.  If I want say, my bass track, to end up back at Track 1 would I have to bounce it with the effect changes to a free virtual then copy it back to where it was (either over writing the original or putting it on another Track 1 virtual track) would you know? I dunno, this procedure does seem like a rather 'round the houses' affair for a function that, compared to any regular mixing desk/DAW software, is relatively straight forward ie: just enable the HPF or LPF switch and set your cut-off frequency!  Secondly, now that I've (you've!) found this Lo-Cut (or HPF) feature .... where's the Hi-Cut (LPF) eqiuivalent on the BR1600?  

[TheOtherEric]

You're right! OK, progress ... THANK YOU! For these, err, 'effect changes to take effect' as it were I'm gonna have to bounce record each track I make filter changes to onto another track (in real time). My next dilemma is: where to bounce to? All my V1 tracks are full.  If I want say, my bass track, to end up back at Track 1 would I have to bounce it with the effect changes to a free virtual then copy it back to where it was (either over writing the original or putting it on another Track 1 virtual track) would you know? I dunno, this procedure does seem like a rather 'round the houses' affair for a function that, compared to any regular mixing desk/DAW software, is relatively straight forward ie: just enable the HPF or LPF switch and set your cut-off frequency!  Secondly, now that I've (you've!) found this Lo-Cut (or HPF) feature .... where's the Hi-Cut (LPF) eqiuivalent on the BR1600?  

Great, some progress!

Yes, that is how the BR1600's work, when you have a recorded track and you want to add an effect of some type you have to bounce it, what the BR is doing is making a new recording of the track with the effect added.

You can bounce 8 tracks at a time with the multi-track setting, or you can do 1 track at a time if you need more control over each track.

What I have done in the past is make sure all my "good" tracks are copied to v1 on all tracks, then clear out v2 for all tracks and bounce to v2. That keeps them all at the same level so you don't have to think about them. But when things get complicated a track sheet is handy. It's how things were kept straight even in the tape days.

I've attached the BOSS track sheet I got from the BOSS users site about 10 years ago. It helps, really, if you aren't doing it already. Once you get used to using a track sheet you'll always know where your "good" stuff is located.

I must apologize regarding the hi-cut filter, it seems there isn't one, but, you can still use the EQ, just turn it back on in the effects chain and use it.

There are trade offs using old hardware solutions compared with modern software solutions, this is true.  Once you figure it out  take some notes on how its done and you can duplicate it.  I don't have any time this weekend to pull out the BR1600 and fool with it but some other time I'll give some play time to it and see what magic is still in that box.

Eric

[Super 8]

Thanks Eric. That's all very much appreciated! I have been struggling to find answers & you have shed some helpful light here - CHEERS!

PS: Regarding, "I must apologize regarding the hi-cut filter, it seems there isn't one, but, you can still use the EQ, just turn it back on in the effects chain and use it". Erm, how exactly? Does the same principle apply to low-cutting too then? Can you just do any filter cuts needed with the regular built-in EQ? (Which is back to my original question.) If so, what's the technique? It would certainly make things A LOT easier if I could just tweak the EQ to filter out the low & high end where needed on my original recorded tracks as opposed to having to copy bounce every track ending up with duplicates (and ultimately a more involved & complicated song project).

PPS: When I have done bounces in the past it has usually just been however many tracks there are in a production (both mono 1-8 and stereo tracks 11/12, 13/14, & 15,16) mixed down to a stereo master on tracks 9/10. Are you saying that I can bounce from say Track 1v.1 to Track 1v.2? So, to do this you'd just put the unit into Bounce mode, activate record mode by pressing the button below the Track 1 fader and hit play & record right? How would you actually assign it so that the machine will know to record to the next virtual track (ie: TRK 1v.2) and not just wipe over the original material on TRK 1v.1 then? This is a new concept to me! (Apologies if that was a bit garbled, I haven't quite got my head around this yet!)