Br 800 for Br 80

Started by Groundy, January 22, 2014, 12:20:51 PM

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Quote from: groundy on January 23, 2014, 11:52:06 PMWell 64 I think you may be right I spent about 5 hours in all yesterday, I started from scratch with my 800, The first thing I did was to put an 8GB card in it, and took some time to go into detail with the manual,
As you say itsprobably because I am familiar with the MBR, so sorry to waste everyones time but I have decided to give it a go for a couple of months and see what happens.
Thanks to everyone for your help....Alex

Great news Alex - I look forward to hearing what you come up with :D
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Me too, and I personally don't think it was a waste of time at all.  I learned a few things.
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Quote from: Picker on January 23, 2014, 01:14:43 PMSo for example if you bounce a mono vocal track from track 1 to 7/8 Pan centered, you would still only have a mono track.

Yes, but that's no different than if you bounce track 1 to tracks 3 and 4. Whether there's 1 fader or 2, you still get two identical tracks. However, if you bounce track 1 through the DBL DELAY insert effect, for example, to tracks 7 & 8 (or 3 & 4, or 5 & 6), then the result will be stereo because the output from the DBL DELAY effect is stereo.

Unless everything you record is mono, having single faders to control the track pairs 5/6 and 7/8 is actually a useful convenience, not a disadvantage. You should use those track pairs for recording stereo sources such as keyboard instruments or mono sources processed with the BR-800's many stereo effects.

When you select an insert effect and press ENTER while the cursor is on the PATCH, you'll see a screen like the following which shows you the effect algorithm for the selected effect.



This shows you all of the effects available in the selected patch and the order in which they're connected. To the right of each effect is either a single line or a double line connecting that effect to the next effect in the algorithm. Single lines mean that the effect's output is mono and double lines mean that the effect's output is stereo. In the E.GUITAR MULTI algorithm shown above, the MOD and DELAY effects both have stereo outputs. However, the dashed lines around those effects indicate that they're currently turned off. So the output of this patch would be mono and should be recorded to tracks 1, 2, 3, or 4. But if you turn the MOD and/or DELAY on, or select a patch in which those effects are turned on, then the output of the patch is stereo and should be recorded to tracks 5&6 or 7&8 in order to realize the full stereo effect. Of course, you could record to 1&2 or 3&4 instead, but then when you adjust the levels you'll have to be careful to move both faders together in sync and not accidentally move one fader ahead of the other which would affect the channel balance between the two tracks. That's why tracks 5/6 or 7/8 are preferred for stereo recordings. The single fader ensures that the track levels remain matched while you move the fader.

To demonstrate why it's important to know if the output from an effects patch is mono or stereo, try this. Connect an electric guitar to the BR and select an insert effect patch that uses the E.GUITAR MULTI algorithm (preset patches 1 through 50). Press enter on the patch to see the algorithm. If the boxes around MOD and DLY are dashed, use the CURSOR > button to move the cursor to those effects and turn the dial to enable the effect. The dashed line will turn solid to show that the effect is enabled. Now arm a single track and play your guitar for a bit, listening to the sound. Then arm a pair of tracks and play some more. The difference in sound should be quite noticeable. If you want your recording to sound the way it sounds when two tracks are armed, then you obviously have to record to a pair of tracks, not one. So use tracks 5/6 or 7/8. If you try the same test with the MOD and DLY effects turned off, then it will sound the same whether you arm one track or a pair. In that case, there'd be no benefit to recording to a pair of tracks because you'd be recording exactly the same signal to each track. So record to tracks 1, 2, 3 or 4.

Another thing that the stereo track pairs are useful for is bounce targets. After you've recorded your first eight tracks on V1, for example, you'll need to bounce that stereo mix to a pair of tracks so that you can monitor it while recording more stuff to the remaining six tracks. Tracks 7&8 are ideal for that purpose.

In rare cases where you're not using any stereo sources or stereo effects and you want to record more than 4 tracks, you can use the BR's Track Exchange feature to swap tracks 1 & 2 for 5/6 and 3 & 4 for 7/8. Now that your first four tracks are on 5, 6, 7 & 8, you can record 4 more tracks on 1, 2, 3 & 4 which are empty. Track exchange is explained on pages 107 and 108 of the BR-800 Owner's Manual revision 4.

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Stick with it Alex its worth the pain

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Quote from: pjd1 on February 05, 2014, 02:22:10 PMStick with it Alex its worth the pain

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Decided too paul....Thanks everyone.Alex

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Started using my BR800 again, and as you said 64 it is a lot better and the more I use it the more I find out about, one problem I did have when I  tried to put my song into the wav converter it said not a BR card, I tried all the options, and connected the usb first, then I realised I put a larger card in a while ago, it records fine but wont convert in the wav converter....any Ideas....Alex

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Quote from: groundy on February 24, 2014, 01:53:12 AMStarted using my BR800 again, and as you said 64 it is a lot better and the more I use it the more I find out about, one problem I did have when I  tried to put my song into the wav converter it said not a BR card, I tried all the options, and connected the usb first, then I realised I put a larger card in a while ago, it records fine but wont convert in the wav converter....any Ideas....Alex

I suspect that you didn't format that card in the BR-800. If it was formatted on the computer or came pre-formatted, then it probably doesn't have the right volume name (the name that's shown with the icon on your desktop). For the BR-800, the volume name must be "BOSS_BR-800" or the BR Wave Converter won't recognize it as a BR card.

To fix the problem, just change the volume name of the card to "BOSS_BR-800". Note that the 5th character is an underscore, not a space. How to change the volume name will depend on which computer operating system you're using but it should be pretty easy. It's probably just a matter of right-clicking on the desktop icon for the BR memory card and selecting "Rename" or "Properties", then re-typing the name.

Whenever you use a new memory card for the first time, you should always initialize it in the BR-800 first. Initialization erases the card, writes some required files and folders to it, and sets the volume name.

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Hi 64, I will try it, I did format the card, because it would not work until I did, I will try what you suggested, Cheers...Alex
The card name is  BOSS_BR-800 f;
When I change it removing the f it just comes back again......Alex

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Another thought that just occurred to me is that you might be using an old version of BR Wave Converter that was released before the BR-800. In that case, it wouldn't recognize a card with the volume label "BOSS_BR-800" because there was no such thing when the software was written. So make sure you're using a recent version of BR Wave Converter. The current version is 3.10, though 3.00 should also work with the BR-800. Older versions probably won't. To find out which version you have, click the system menu icon ( - top-left of main window) and select "About BR Series Wave Converter".



It's possible to have more than one version of BR Wave Converter on your computer. So make sure you're using the latest one by checking the "About" screen as shown above. I would recommend removing any older versions to avoid confusion.

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Quote from: groundy on February 24, 2014, 11:54:16 AMThe card name is  BOSS_BR-800 f;

That would be the problem then.

Quote from: groundy on February 24, 2014, 11:54:16 AMWhen I change it removing the f it just comes back again......Alex

Which operating system are you using? (Windows XP, Windows 7, Windows 8, Mac OS X, Linux, etc.)

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