The Music News Thread

Started by Blooby, January 11, 2014, 08:29:38 AM

Mike_S

Thanks for posting that Blooby.

Oh dear it all sounds rather painful. Have to say reading that it sounds as if Dweezil is being a bit of a prat, but really to refuse to deal with this stuff man to man, it always has the potential to turn nasty.

Sad... but still a good read though!
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Regarding the "Stairway to Heaven" vs. "Taurus" trial


According to The Pulse Of Radio, LED ZEPPELIN have reportedly turned down $14 million for two reunion performances at October's "Desert Trip" concerts in Indio, California. Showbiz411.com — the site that broke the news on the concerts — spoke to an insider that revealed that not only are all the headliners each receiving $14 million flat for their pair of weekend sets, but that ZEPPELIN was approached to reunite and once again, Jimmy Page said yes and Robert Plant chose to pass. The source claimed, "Jimmy went crazy. He really wanted to do it."
Also, although all the acts — including THE WHO, Bob Dylan, Roger Waters, and Neil Young — signed on as favored nations regarding their fee, sources suggest that both Paul McCartney and THE ROLLING STONES are earning more. It also seems that "Desert Trip" will be a yearly event, with STEELY DAN's Donald Fagen revealing to the Los Angeles Times that the band has already been approached for next year.
Robert Plant explained a while ago that people can't expect ZEPPELIN to reunite for no other reason than the fans want them to. "I want to do great, creative things and these guys are my buddies,” he said. "They're my friends, we're soul partners in a big chunk of our creative lives together. But, it's ever onward and it's not the be-all and end-all of everything, it's just what we love."
Robert Plant & THE SENSATIONAL SPACE SHIFTERS will next perform on July 1 in Werchter, Belgium.

Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/report-led-zeppelin-passed-on-14-million-p ayday-for-desert-trip-gigs/#PYvAHbIlzu6dKYr4.99




http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/led-zeppelin-stairway-trial-gets-ugl y-as-plaintiffs-rest-their-case-20160618


The surviving members of Led Zeppelin squashed one of the group's most established and enduring mythologies when the band's bassist/keyboardist/songwriter John Paul Jones took the stand in day four of the copyright infringement suit "Michael Skidmore vs. Led Zeppelin et al."


It was a rare public reunion for Jones and his former bandmates, Jimmy Page and Robert Plant, with Jones appearing as a witness to support Led Zeppelin's defense in the case involving similarities between Zep classic "Stairway to Heaven" and "Taurus," an instrumental composition from the Sixties-era rock band Spirit.
Apparently, the defense team had concluded no one on the jury is a loyal reader of Mojo: Jones' appearance served mainly to quash the narrative, faithfully recounted for nearly five decades, of how Page and Plant came back from the Bron-Yr-Aur cottage in the Welsh mountains with the beginnings of "Stairway to Heaven" to play to the rest of Led Zeppelin - a surprising assertion Page had also made under oath on Thursday.
In his cross-examination with the plaintiff's counsel Francis Malofiy, Jones was confronted with the playback of an audio recording of a 1972 BBC interview where he stated, "We were all in the country at Headley Grange when [Page and Plant] came back from the Welsh mountains with a guitar intro, verse and maybe more [of "Stairway to Heaven]." Under oath, Jones disputed the veracity of his earlier claims: "It sounded like I was guessing. I was guessing."


Jones was also grilled as to how Led Zeppelin came to play the Spirit song "Fresh-Garbage" - built largely around a prominent bass part - as part of the group's earliest live sets. "I forgot who introduced it - I can't remember," Jones testified. "It was a two-bar bass riff that popped out from somewhere. It was a catchy little riff, had an interesting time thing and it caught my ear. I didn't know where it was from."
Jones also claimed that he thought all of the cover songs played by Led Zeppelin in its famed early tour of Scandinavia billed as the "New Yardbirds" were "all Yardbirds songs." When asked if he'd ever seen Spirit live, he claimed that, in the late Sixties and Seventies before the composition and recording of "Stairway," he'd never "gone to any rock concerts, other than playing with Led Zeppelin."
Malofiy's cross examination of Jones also represented the end of the plaintiff's time to plead its case to the court, having used up all 10 hours allotted by the judge presiding over the federal civil trial, Gary Klausner. With several defense witnesses remaining on the docket - including, potentially, Page's co-defendant, Zeppelin frontman Robert Plant - Judge Klausner made an unusual exception: Malofiy would be allowed to cross-examine all of Led Zeppelin's witnesses for just 10 minutes each.
The numbers that came out of the testimony of Dr. Michael Einhorn, a Yale-educated economist who appeared as an expert witness for the plaintiff side, were also tantalizing. In his analysis, Einhorn revealed Page, Plant, Jones and the heirs of drummer John Bonham split £58.5 million across all 87 songs in the Zeppelin catalog in the three-year statutory period being hotly debated throughout the trial. However, Einhorn claimed the defense had not provided him with the "pro-rate technology" used to determine exactly how much of those monies came specifically from "Stairway" royalties.


"You don't have to play to the jury" was an admonishment Judge Klausner bestowed on both sides' counsel throughout the day's proceedings. But the most astonishing example of that strategy came not from the notoriously hotheaded Malofiy, but Led Zeppelin main counsel Peter Anderson, whose patrician white-shoe countenance has been a defining feature of his defense. During Anderson's cross-examination of the trial's plaintiff, Michael Skidmore - the trustee of "Taurus" songwriter Randy "California" Wolfe's estate - Anderson asked Skidmore if "it made a difference to [Wolfe's mother] Berenice Pearl if [Wolfe's only surviving heir] Quinn Wolfe [was cut out of receiving royalties] because he was the illegitimate son of Randy Wolfe?"
It was a "gotcha!" moment that backfired - more expected coming from, say, a trial in Game of Thrones or an old episode of Days of Our Lives. It provided perhaps the ugliest moment of a contentious trial, and was quickly ruled as legally inadmissible by Judge Klausner.
Another cynical moment from the defense occurred when, during the testimony of another expert witness - accomplished musician, musical director and producer Robert Mathes - Anderson requested the court play a 2012 video from the Kennedy Center Honors tribute segment to Led Zeppelin. Mathes - who's worked with everyone from Sting to Yo-Yo Ma - had been the musical director for this performance, a cover of "Stairway" by the rock group Heart featuring Jason Bonham on drums. The primary relevance of the video, however, seemed to be an attempt to impart the prestige of President Obama and the First Lady, who appeared in many audience reaction shots solemnly rocking out to "Stairway." Judge Klausner quickly put the kibosh on this gambit, ruling that only the audio portion of the song could be played to the jury.As its primary expert witness testifying to the musical similarities between the Spirit and Led Zeppelin compositions, the defense called Dr. Lawrence Ferrara, a full professor of music and "director emeritus" at NYU and an esteemed musicologist with an impressive list of music-legend clients - Billy Joel, Paul McCartney, Elton John, Marc Anthony, Enrique Iglesias, Lady Gaga, Gloria Estefan, Bruce Springsteen, Brad Paisley, Jay Z, Usher, Dr. Dre, Kanye West, Eminem, Prince and James Brown among them.
On the stand, Ferrara made a sophisticated analysis as to why "Stairway to Heaven" did not plagiarize "Taurus." However, his academic approach proved confusing, and at times patronizing; when asked about his credentials, Ferrara bragged about owning all 29 editions of the Grove Dictionary of Music and stated, "I have authored or co-authored three books, one of which is in its fifth edition."
Ferrara's contribution to the case came off as more collegiate lecture than testimony, as he faced the jury directly while playing piano to demonstrate his analyses. Judge Klausner had to remind the defense more than once to move on to another question whenever Ferrara veered into topics unprovoked by inquiry. Ferrara proved testy and defensive in cross-examination by Malofiy - who raised an objection to his time on the stand as "pre-planned [and] not testimony." (Curiously, indeed, exhibits of evidence supplied by counsel would appear on video screens just as Ferrara was making points supported by them.)
Amusingly, Ferrara was almost interrupted at one point by a lookie-loo who had wandered into the courtroom with a Fender Stratocaster, likely hoping for an autograph from Page; said lookie-loo was quickly dispensed from the courtroom by a bailiff.


Ferrara's arguments proved most compelling - and potentially damning for the plaintiffs - when he played the sheet music for "Taurus" followed by a performance of the beginning of "Stairway to Heaven"; to the ear, his renditions did sound "dramatically different," as he noted repeatedly. Ferrara went on to play more "prior art" compositions with similar chromatic lines to "Taurus" and "Stairway" - demonstrating his point that the musical "building blocks" shared by them are not protectable intellectual property, but commonplace throughout music.
However, the similarities he demonstrated between "Stairway" and the Antônio Carlos Jobim composition "How Insensitive" and Richard Rodgers and Lorenz Hart's standard "My Funny Valentine" made it seem as if Jobim and the estates of Rodgers and Hart might want to call their attorneys.
As such, another example of "prior art" Ferrara invoked was the Modern Folk Quartet's 1963 version of the public-domain Appalachian folk traditional "To Catch a Shad." When Ferrara played the first part of "Stairway to Heaven" followed by "To Catch a Shad" on the piano, it proved one of the trial's most startling revelations yet: it was almost impossible to tell them apart - they sounded like the exact same song.
The tactic was intended to demonstrate the unoriginality and ordinariness of the musical techniques shared by "Taurus" and "Stairway" - that they can be found utilized in music compositions in many forms and genres going back hundreds of years. Instead, Ferrara's example may not have been received as intended. To some ears, it suggested another possibility - that Led Zeppelin had no qualms bogarting whole chunks of preexisting compositions in the songwriting process that led to "Stairway."

64Guitars

Quote from: Blooby on June 23, 2016, 05:20:34 AMAs such, another example of "prior art" Ferrara invoked was the Modern Folk Quartet's 1963 version of the public-domain Appalachian folk traditional "To Catch a Shad." When Ferrara played the first part of "Stairway to Heaven" followed by "To Catch a Shad" on the piano, it proved one of the trial's most startling revelations yet: it was almost impossible to tell them apart - they sounded like the exact same song.
The tactic was intended to demonstrate the unoriginality and ordinariness of the musical techniques shared by "Taurus" and "Stairway" - that they can be found utilized in music compositions in many forms and genres going back hundreds of years. Instead, Ferrara's example may not have been received as intended. To some ears, it suggested another possibility - that Led Zeppelin had no qualms bogarting whole chunks of preexisting compositions in the songwriting process that led to "Stairway."

Interesting. The intro does sound similar, and it predates "Taurus" by 5 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxB_pOdIG_Q


By the way, the trial has ended in Led Zeppelin's favour:

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-36611961


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Blooby


Bernie Worrell passed away. I thought he was one of the more inventive keyboardists out there. I missed him with Parliament Funkadelic by the time I saw them, but I was lucky enough to see him with Steve Kimock and Gov't Mule a few times. I never saw Stop Making Sense all the way through. I will have to sit down and check it out.

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http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/nhregister/obituary.aspx?n=bernie-worrell&pid=180448900





Flash Harry

Oh bugger, another hero gone.

I loved his work  with Talking Heads, and with Belew et al. Distinct but not cliché'd.

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Blooby

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While still dealing with the emotions from the loss of Bernie Worrell and Scotty Moore, I just found out Rob Wasserman died. He may not be super well known outside the Dead community, but he was a formidable upright electric bassist and had a distinct sound. He was a founding member of Bob Weir's (from The Grateful Dead) solo band Ratdog but also had played with Branford Marsalis, Bruce Cockburn, Laurie Anderson, Elvis Costello, Ani DiFranco, Jerry Garcia, David Grisman, Rickie Lee Jones, Van Morrison, Aaron Neville, Lou Reed, Pete Seeger, Brian Wilson, Chris Whitley, Neil Young, and Jackson Browne. He won a grammy in 1980 for his Duets album.

This video lets him cover a lot of ground and shows off his unique sound and accompaniment style.

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Sadly, Toots Thielemans passed away. He did make it to 94. He may have played a relatively unpopular instrument (harmonica), especially outside of the blues, but he was one heck of an improviser. He also was a gifted whistler.

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Johnny Robbo

Sad loss... I first heard him on the Billy Joel song "Leave A Tender Moment Alone". R.I.P. Toots.
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Sadly, I just heard that Ed Harsch, original keys player for the Black Crowes, just passed away. Took me totally by surprise because a new band with Marc Ford and Rich Robinson was just announced a couple weeks ago.



Blooby


I just read in another thread that Larry Coryell passed way last night after playing the Iridium in New York.

I used to listen to Twin House, Barefoot Boy, Spaces, and Tributaries all the time. Was fortunate to see him play solo to a crowd of 40 or so. He is a big hero of mine.

Blooby