Help with bouncing please

[Ronniejm]

Hope this is in the right place.

I'm having difficulty getting my head round the bouncing of tracks....before i got my micro i knew nothing about recording, so its probably user error...

Anyway I record stuff on to all 4 tracks then want to bounce them down to release more tracks for recording, I accept the default bounce tracks of 12V2, and bounce away.  but after bouncing, tracks V1 of tracks 3 and 4 seem to be linked now, as far as panning volume etc, cant be right can it? am i right in thinking that after bouncing, all the v1 tracks of all the tracks should be as they were before the bounce......am i doing something wrong?

there seems to be no way back from this, and i have ruined a few songs in my attempts, all getting a bit frustrating.  can someone help me please.

[64Guitars]

The Micro BR has four tracks, each of which is comprised of eight v-tracks. But only one v-track can be selected at a time for each track. So, you can only play back four v-tracks at a time - one for each track. The idea of bouncing is to mix your four recorded tracks down to two v-tracks so that you can record on two more. After bouncing, the Micro BR automatically selects the two v-tracks containing the mix, plus two empty v-tracks. So you're all set to record on the two empty v-tracks while listening to your mix on the other two tracks. The four original tracks are still there, they're just not selected. You can switch back to them any time by changing the v-track selection for each track (see page 40 of the Micro BR manual).

For example, let's say you've recorded to Tr1v1, Tr2v1, Tr3v1 and Tr4v1, then bounced those to Tr1v2 and Tr2v2. After the bounce, the Micro BR automatically selects Tr1v2, Tr2v2, Tr3v2 and Tr4v2. So, when you press PLAY, you'll hear the mix of your first four tracks on tracks 1 and 2, and nothing on tracks 3 and 4. Now you can record something new on tracks 3 and 4 while listening to the mix on tracks 1 and 2. When you finish recording and press PLAY, you'll hear the equivalent of six tracks -- the four tracks mixed on tracks 1 and 2 plus the two new tracks on tracks 3 and 4. If you decide you don't like the mix on tracks 1 and 2, you can go back to your original four tracks on v-track 1 and re-mix them. Just follow the directions on page 40 of the Micro BR manual to switch the tracks back to v-track 1. Now when you press PLAY, you'll hear your original four tracks only. The mix is still on Tr1v2 and Tr2v2, and the two new tracks are still on Tr3v2 and Tr4v2, but they're not selected. After you re-mix your first four tracks, the BR will automatically select the two v-tracks containing the new mix plus two EMPTY v-tracks (NOT the two new tracks you recorded on Tr3v2 and Tr4v2). So, you'll need to change tracks 3 and 4 back to v-track 2 in order to hear those two tracks (again, follow the directions on page 40 to select the four v-tracks you want).

See this page for a more detailed explanation and example:

https://songcrafters.org/64guitars/BR/Tutorials/V-Tracks_and_Bouncing.html

It's for the BR-864 which has 8 tracks, but the Micro BR is exactly the same except for the number of tracks.

[Ronniejm]

Many thanks for the info.

I'll try again, following your advice.

I'm very new to the recording thing, so it can all get a bit confusing after a while if you dont keep track (pun) of where things are, I'm sure it will all fall into place someday.....well lets hope so eh?

thanks again for taking the time to answer my query

Cheers

Ronnie

[jmccull1]

Ronnie,

It will all become clear to you as you work with the MBR. I just found this and the Intermorphic forum, and they have been, and will continue to be very helpful. 64 Guitars does a great job explaining.

One note for you(based on a comment that you made regarding it being confusing). There is a little track chart at the back of the instruction book. It basically provides space to keep track of your tracks(NPI), and make notes....generally organizing your song on paper. I've found this to be critical. Eventually, I hope to be able to bounce around from screen to screen, scrolling in the right direction, remembering which track and Vtrack I am bouncing to/from and what effect is to be applied, along with the correct tempo that won't be stored!

The point is that if you note on paper what you would like to do, it makes it less likely that you will bounce to the wrong place, or record over another Vtrack, etc.  I found charting to be very helpful in my learning curve.

Good luck!

Jimmy Mac