Is it me ...

[Vaisvil]

ah ha! Now there is the anarchy! Good one ORH!

[kenny mac]

Tut tut jim,,,,,,you were warned by yer wee lassie aboot this video,Im holding up the red card  

[Oldrottenhead]

goat it turned up tae thirteen ma ears ur bleeding

[kenny mac]

Yer a filthy animal james,,,,,,get the bevy away  ,you'll regret this in the morning.

[phantasm777]

I've made my position on this clear when I first joined. I am very picky as to what I like to listen to, shit, I even disconnected my stereo I do not listen to music, I make it!

everyone on this site has a lot of talent, but does everyone like all styles, types of music? no! I know when I make a metal song, just about WHO will not comment. and that's fine with me cause I do not like country, or blues, and some other styles, so then, what do you do when you listen but do not like? no one has ever answered that. do you brown nose? do you make half assed compliments like - great composition or rendition? do you tell the truth ( I for one am not)?

to me I am honoured if you just listen, gotta listen before you can even make a comment!! at this point in my life the comments do not matter as long as I feel I am improving!

ask, chris, he's known me over 40 yrs. most anyone on this site has much more of a widespread "likes" of styles, genre's etc than I do, by far. consider it a handicap but I like what I like, not what others expect me to like!

IF you do not want to comment on my music, cause I do not on yours, then that's revenge, and seems shallow to me. but your right to do so! if I do not comment, it simply isn't my taste!
I think complaining about lack of comments is rather peculiar when in fact many who do not comment HAVE done listening! whether they liked it or not but didn't comment, that's their own right and reason. I feel I did a decent job since I am only doing demos and not perfect songs YET and not trying to make groundbreaking music so early on in my musical revival.

so tell me, you listen to a song, songs, some you like, some you don't, how do you comment on it when you do not like it! by saying the truth and posting negative comments? I think not! that will not help inspire anyone. I personally would rather have no one comment than tell me what shit I created. BUT, if they give good reasons why they hate it, I can respect that, but why bother?

isn't this about encouraging? isn't it about comradary even aside of different musical preferences and tastes? I have collabed with some who might not like what I do, but together we do something good! isn't that also a huge factor and reason for this site?

at this late stage in my life, I like what I like and I do not even listen to the radio, or my stereo anymore, just not into it, unless i'm listening to classic rock, or some metal from the 70's till present date. which I do not do much anymore.

I do not have the time for that anymore, cause while I am listening to my stereo, I could be making my own music, and shit, I am 54, who knows how much time I have left, and with what little time I have to devote to drums, guitars, bass, keys, vox, composing, arranging, writing, editing, mixing etc etc etc. I said fuck it I am concentrating on me making music! even if it is shit, it is something I love, that I can leave behind.

again so you listen and listen, the songs are done well, by talented people but you just cannot get into it, what comment do you make? do you lie or make backhanded compliments?

I for one, am about truth. so again I say, everyone here, there is sooo much talent, most people far better than mine. I acknowledge that! I applaud that! I respect that!

even though it is styles, genre's, covers I do not like! isn't it better to shut up rather than say anything negative even if you do not mean to hurt or discourage them, merely cause it is a song, or music I do not like?

those who do not like metal, and I do metal songs, do I expect them to comment and say, that's sucks cause I hate metal! NO I don't, cause I would hope they would respect what I like, as I respect what they like, by not offering some backhanded compliment merely to show that I "commented"!

I've always been very firm and admittedly very limited in what I like as compared to most people. I respect that many here, have far far broader likes in music that I do. BUT, can they also respect the fact that I like what I like, and will not lie and be fake nor be intimidated about it, even indirectly!

if you do not like my style, my selection of songs, or the genre's I do and like, why should you be forced to say anything??

let's be real here without any semblance of a revenge factor for not commenting on songs you do not like! if you're going to pull out a banjo and sing, count me out, sorry (for example) if it were on the radio, I would change the channel. I mean let's be a little more real about this!

[Hook]

I've also been victim of life as of late and haven't been commenting as much, nor have I been recording/posting much. I do however listen each day in my car on my phone but commenting on my phone is entirely to much of a pain in the ass. I've never felt like there were rules here, outside of the recent 2 song limit which i have no problem with. This is a community however not a spotlight or a place to build a fan base ,use youtube or a website for that. Songcrafters is (to me at least) a place where I get to listen and share with others all over the world that are creating music with similar, if not the same equipment as me. It's also led to many wonderfully rewarding collaborations, some spanning multiple flags and a huge inspiring force to my own creations. I agree with 64 here as I almost always do, without the comments, discussion and support there wouldn't be a site for you to post your tunes on. I love the fact that the site opened up to all recording devices but unfortunately that leads to people seeing this as a way to promote themselves. Once they realize it's not helping them in that fashion they tend to disappear and so we have high membership and low involvement, it's that way with most organizations.
I also agree with ORH, even though he's a bit of a nutter. Saying thanks on your own post is really just a way to put your own tune back on the front page, I've been guilty of it. We are all proud of our own stuff and of course we are thankful for positive comments. We would all get more comments if we all listened and commented on each others tunes. I don't want to imply you can't respond to a comment, have a discussion within a thread, etc. but the thanking each individual comment seems silly!
No rules Chris, no banning, just some encouragement to be an active member of the community not just an active poster of of your own music (generally speaking of course.)
It's not that hard to post a "rock on" or find something positive to say on most postings here and since life is so short perhaps one shouldn't limit their musical interests to such narrow fields. Banjo can rock too!
Rock On!

[Vaisvil]

Actually I listen and comment, roughly in the degree I get listened and comment to.

I really don't expect anything - excepting some good collaborations - to get much recognition. But honestly its ok with me. If I don't post microtonal or classical music is anyone else gonna? I'm the eclectic odd-ball.

I think the last time we had this discussion I said as much. You only get out of a community what you put in, and I don't put in much, so I don't expect much out.

The problem is, as I see it, are these posts complaining about the yin and yang of songcrafters comment habits. If I don't comment much, and then get ignored, isn't your system demonstrated as working as designed?

Now, if I commented a lot and got ignored, that would be different and a reason to have concern. But its not. So I'm mystified as to why there is this hand wringing. Are electrons in short supply suddenly?

If you think electrons are in short supply I recommend said person watch a sunset and remember there is something bigger than the imagination gone Alice in Wonderland bonkers called the internet.

And never worry - the US Gov't is recording every post for posterity... your music will live on. It may never be listened to, but it will be there. Lurking. Just in case.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-company-officials-internet-surveillance-does-not-indiscriminately-mine-data/2013/06/08/5b3bb234-d07d-11e2-9f1a-1a7cdee20287_story.html

[Vaisvil]

"Saying thanks on your own post is really just a way to put your own tune back on the front page, I've been guilty of it."


and this has actually made me afraid, for a few moments, to say thanks to someone commenting.

How sick is that? Is that really what you want songcrafters community be known for? A den of paranoid musicians afraid some social rule might be violated by saying "thanks"?

just meditate on that a bit if you can't see it.

And how is that any different from someone posting to a thread from 4 years ago to make it resurface?

Gosh, there are some terrific knots in the SC panties.

[phantasm777]

seems to me, if you just post - rock on! it has no substance, it doesn't say why you like it or not. it is a way to make a comment without commiting to how you really feel about it. and with all due respect, I call that a half assed compliment!
 and hey, for some a banjo rocks, for some it doesn't, so do you force them to comment about it even if it sucks to them?

aside of the originals, or cover songs topic, I can only comment in the other topics where I have some knowledge about it. I am no pro at anything, so I do comment there where I can and that, to me, is where the REAL help is!  
when I thank people for listening, I wait for a few to have replied, sometimes you have to do a thanks, CAUSE they also ask you other questions in the comment itself! so I then do thanks and answer the questions. I never thank people per person, after each individual comment, but after a few have already commented IF I get comments. but I guess now that is a huge no-no to say thanks at all! so I will keep that in mind!

I respect what people like and do, is it so hard to get that same respect back, if you like what you like? yes life is too short and that is exactly why I am making the music I want to, not having to be in a band who wants to do songs I hate.

some perhaps cannot understand liking a somewhat limited variety of music as compared to their likes. well there are others who cannot understand liking everything! live and let live, respect what people like without downing them for it in any way. that's how I have approached this site.
yep life's too short that's why I enjoy what I enjoy! remember you have to listen to know what you do not like as well. if my comments to others on their songs do not show much, neither does the times I have listened to music show up, but not commented on. and it is about giving a listen isn't it?
I would say if no one listens and also doesn't comments, those are far worse than those who do not comment!
do we need to point out per person who never comments on one's own music? would you really want to draw them out in such a way? cause I could name a lot of people who never comment on my music, I figure it is for the same reason I do not, on some others music, cause it is not my style, not what I am into, and everyone has a right to like what they want, no matter who has a broader range of likes, or not! and I respect that, cause I feel the same way myself, someone might not like any metal, and someone might not like any banjo.

it's personal, tastes should not be impressed upon or made to make someone feel bad or something, cause they do not like what you like! this too is about respect, I can respect you not liking metal if you can respect me not liking country! how hard is that?

and I agree with chris, if you do not want to comment on my stuff, fine. if someone is really into a broad range of music, I think they comment regardless who is the leading in the race of commenting on their mujsic. if I like it I like it, if I don't I don't, very natural!
also I do not expect much commenting cause of these "sore spots" about commenting. if people want to not comment out of revenge, rather than not comment cause they do not like it. I respect the ones who do not comment cause they genuinely do not like it rather than some revenge - get even factor. I think we're too old for that!

again as chris said, I don't expect much, and I am cool with that now. especially since I have confidence more and more with my talent and music. in some ways, it would seem people want those who do not comment enough here OUT! or why complain about people not commenting, though they listen, about songs they do not like and do not wanna just keep saying - nice job, great job, good work, never saying anything constructive and therefore making comments just to get people off their backs about it!

[Hook]

I think the point and purpose of this community had just been altered as it has grown. As far as the thanks posts go I just don't see the need & like ORH said, it's implied. I know I never post a comment with some secret desire that I be acknowledged for my generosity, I just like listening and encouraging the other musicians here, that's what has always made this site so rewarding.

"Saying thanks on your own post is really just a way to put your own tune back on the front page, I've been guilty of it."


and this has actually made me afraid, for a few moments, to say thanks to someone commenting.

How sick is that? Is that really what you want songcrafters community be known for? A den of paranoid musicians afraid some social rule might be violated by saying "thanks"?

just meditate on that a bit if you can't see it.

Seems like a stretch, once again that support is why this site was created and why most people join and post their songs in the first place, because of the positive response they see others getting. Once again it's a community not a platform.

musicians afraid some social rule might be violated by saying "thanks"?



And how is that any different from someone posting to a thread from 4 years ago to make it resurface?

i think there is a big difference in bumping a tune from a month/year or years ago than bumping your own post from yesterday with a "thanks". But if you just have to post thanks post it, I really don't see anyone trying to force anything, just veteran members and admin trying to encourage the sense of community this site was created with.

seems to me, if you just post - rock on! it has no substance, it doesn't say why you like it or not.

I disagree Frank, when ORH posts a "braw" on one of my tunes it makes me feel pretty good and when Greeny posts his always positive analysis of my tunes that's great too. Encouragement feels good!
As far as musical tastes go, your right, listen to what you like. I just decided a long time ago that because I don't like one metal song doesn't mean I won't like a different one. The same goes for country, rock, rap, opera, classical, I don't want to miss out on something great because I decided I didn't like it before I gave it a chance.That's just me though & my favorite musicians are those that dive into many styles and genres of music and create a diverse collection of music in there catalog rather than just one sound over & over.

I don't comment on everything myself but I do comment alot.There are of course some tunes I haven't liked, but I do like the the supportive nature of this site and I enjoy being an active part of it with my own posts and comments on  my brothers & sisters posts. That's what I think songcrafters is and hopefully will continue to be known for!
Rock on!