COSM com[pressor on micro BR-80...

[Hilary]

btw - if the sterio patches are for internal microphones - does that mean you can't use them with an external mic? - maybe that's why I never got where I wanted with the Rode (dim lightbulb suddenly switches on!)

[Hilary]

Eric - I usually have the input sensitivity set to -15db and the recording input to between 15-18 for the Rode!

[64Guitars]

I`ve tampered with those Dynamic Vocal presets 64 ,and i have to tell you they really blow bad. Even with the input sensitivity -24 and recording input down to 25 it still clips and it sounds terrible in adjusting every way. I really don`t know who came up with those. They are meant to plug in a dynamic mic. Not for the built in mics. But they don`t say that anywhere.

If the built-in mics are too sensitive, the obvious solution is to back away from them to reduce the sound levels reaching the mics.

The compressors in the BR-80 are very limited compared with other BRs. For example, the COSM compressor in my BR-864 can model any of the following popular compressors:

Boss CS-3

MXR DynaComp

dbx 160

UREI 1178

Obviously, the first two are guitar effects. But the dbx 160 and UREI 1178 are studio compressors that are well suited for controlling vocal dynamics. The dbx 160 and UREI 1178 both include a ratio parameter. The CS-3 and DynaComp do not.

[bruno]

I've got an old CS-3 - this may be a really stupid question, but has anyone ever tried a CS-3 on vocals or acoustic guitars (or any similar outboard analogue compressor). I would assume that it wouldn't have the frequency range of a studio compressor, however just wondered if anyone had tried it??? If not, I may experiment and post the results :-) The CS-3 is an analogue compression, so would be interesting to see how it sounds!
B.

[64Guitars]

Are the only patches applicable for the internal mics 156-160 (P14 of your link)? (lucky really coz I use 158) - if so there's no point using a vocal patch with internal mics.

After posting about the VOCAL MULTI algorithm, I noticed that the BR-80 manual says (on page 113) that the STEREO MULTI effect is "designed specifically for the built-in microphones". Surprisingly, it includes the COSM Compressor/Limiter effect in this algorithm rather than the Dynamics effect which is included in the VOCAL MULTI algorithm. Preset patches 156-160 use the STEREO MULTI algorithm.

btw - if the sterio patches are for internal microphones - does that mean you can't use them with an external mic?

Not at all. You can use any effect patch with any input. The patches are just saved settings for the effects. They're grouped according to what they're most suitable for (guitar, vocal, etc.) but you're free to choose patches from any group.

[Gnasty]

I sing with it at arms length with the mics pointing the other way. Any further and you are mixing vox from mars with music from planet earth. Yes the compressor isn't great and the mics are cheap. It has it's limitations and that's the reality of it. I've tried every way possible and my settings are the best sounding to my ears. For my acoustic and uke I  don't complain but vocals are a problem.

[Daniel Storey]

Starting to get some random success...

Starting out by choosing the first vocal patch and removing the EQ and noise suppressor.
Then I edit the compresser...

Sustain 21
Attack 7
Tone 0
Level 92

Next I add a delay

100ms
cut off at 3k
feedback33
E level 60
D level 100

My record volume is set to 50

I add EQ to the stereo track (1and2) -1db at 1.25k and +2db low frequencies

Next im adding 66 reverb (Hall, 6.6 seconds, effect volume 66)

Mastering... P1 Mix down , dynamics 0, tone 1, Natural +50



i position the recorder facing me level so the mics are level with my chin (I have it upside down in its box pilled on top of lots of other boxes!) I angle it slightly upwards towards my nose... The guitar is in a relative position as im sitting down... The sound hole is probably level with my mouth and 15 inches lower.

I'm able to mix my self using headphones really quite well with these settings...

Try them and let me know what you think...

[Hilary]

Wow - that's really useful thanks Daniel - v excited to try it! Unfortunately it's peeing down now and I've got to take my son to football practice but there's always later if I'm not too soggy (and my phantom power unit has been dispatched whoop, whoop!)

[Hilary]

The first vocal patch is 5th harmony? It's gotta be idiot proof, sorry!

[Daniel Storey]

The first vocal patch is 5th harmony? It's gotta be idiot proof, sorry!

Damn sorry, It's the first stereo patch #156