Lodi Cover

[Mojo1961]

So I got my tax refund today, and I go to the music store to get a 1 gig memory card for BR-600 (had to order) and am about to leave when  I spot this fairly cheap 12 string Fender...which is now safely under my protection.

So after numerous attempts to tune it, I played it for a while and turned my 600 on and recorded this with the built mic's.

But I had to double the vocals cause man a 12 string is loud! I can't yet sing as loud as it plays. Tax refund day, better than a birthday.


Martin

Edit: Remix of Lodi. Thanks 64 and Geir.

[Hook]

Nice buy, that 12 sounds fabulous, I traded mine for a banjo and this track made me miss it! Nice performance, did you double the vocals or is that an effect? You also need to mess around with your panning (on headphones this morning, most unusual), it's real easy and spreads the track out so each part is clear. Don't know the song but this is "Flash Harry's new toothbrush!"
Rock on!

[Facemask93]

Hey Mojo , hows it goin man , the old 12 string sounds purdy good , goes well with your deep vox , don't know the song or the band , but you did i pretty good job performing it , what Hook said is spot on , & the more people you read & listen to on the forum you will get more idea's

Welcome
Rob

[Geir]

now, that's a sweet sounding guitar. great performance as well.

[Mojo1961]

Thanks guys.

Hook I just doubled the vocals, no effects no reverb. Alright so I'm going to try panning a mix. I have the guitar and vox on tracks 1&2 and doubled vocals on 3&4. Should I try panning just 1&2 or just 3&4 or all of it? If I change it do I post it in this thread and delete the original. Or leave it there to compare?

Any help is appreciated.

[Geir]

Re: panning.

What usually works for me is to pan the guitars fairly wide. The more similar the two guitar-tracks are, the wider I pan them. Doubled vocals I usually keep fairly centered, maybe L/R 5-10, but more often I keep both in the center and put one of them lower in the mix with some more reverb than the up-front one.

but as every rule I have, I also break them from time to time

[64Guitars]

Nice cover of one of my favourite CCR songs. I've added this to our VarietyFest jukebox.

[64Guitars]

I have the guitar and vox on tracks 1&2 and doubled vocals on 3&4. Should I try panning just 1&2 or just 3&4 or all of it?

Panning usually only applies to mono tracks. If you've recorded your original tracks in stereo, then you should probably leave them as they are. The trouble with recording guitar and vocals simultaneously is that there's no way to separate them later for panning, doubling, and other processing. For your next recording, you might want to try recording the guitar first to one track, then record your vocals to a separate track (just one; there's no point recording a single voice in stereo).

Assuming that your guitar is on track 1 and your lead vocal is on track 2, you can now make the sound much richer by doubling these tracks. For example, you could copy track 1 to track 3 and offset it slightly timewise. Then you can pan track 1 somewhere between L50 and around L20, and track 3 somewhere between R50 and R20. You could also copy the vocals on track 2 to track 4 and time-shift it slightly. But, as Geir said, you probably shouldn't pan the lead vocals apart very much. So either leave them in the centre or pan them just slightly apart (L/R 5-10, as Geir suggested). Background vocals are a different story. They can be panned wide.

Note that the time-shift is important. If you merely copy a track without time-shifting it, there is no stereo separation. It will sound exactly the same as a mono track panned to the centre.

There are other ways to achieve doubling too. Instead of copying the tracks, some people prefer to record them again. This ensures that they're not identical, so the stereo separation is more apparent. For example, after recording your guitar on track 1, you could then play the same chords or whatever again and record it to track 2. Then pan track 1 to the left and track 2 to the right. You could do the same thing with vocals. I think it would work especially good with background vocals. For lead vocals, it might be better to use Track Copy instead.

Another way to achieve doubling is with the BR's doubling effect. This works best with an electric guitar. The doubling effect takes the mono signal from the guitar and splits it to two tracks, adding a slight delay to one of the tracks.

If I change it do I post it in this thread and delete the original. Or leave it there to compare?

You can replace the original attachment by editing your post and un-checking the attachment, then saving the post. After you've saved it, edit your post again and add the new attachment. The reason this can't be done with a single edit is that the original attachment isn't deleted until you save it, so the total size of both attachments would exceed the 6292 KB per post limit.

[Mojo1961]

Thank you 64 and Geir.

Yeah I recorded it as stereo tracks 1/2 and 3/4 with track 1/2 guitar/vox and 3/4 vox doubled by resinging it. When I bounced them to 5/6 they were already L50 R50 L50 R50 already so I remixed with just some chorus on track 1/2 and a little reverb on 3/4. Also I have only used the Mix Down master toolkit, with the default settings. If somebody thinks they would like to try to fix it with a couple of tweaks, and then be kind enough to walk me through the tweaks I could maybe send them the raw wav files. For now I'll post the remixed MP3 and if you can let me know if it sounds better.

So I see how this panning can come in handy in the future. Say if I want to put different effects on a single track that is copied to two V-tracks say or time shift one a little forward to sound like a "perfect" delay unit. This BR-600 is way more powerful than I ever could imagine! Thank you guys for helping me to better understand this cool piece of gear.

[Rata-tat-tat]

Hey Martin... I think you wre uploading a new version... The player isnt showing up on my phone... Ill check back later.