has anyone ever used the drum bass feature
am interested in how it works-
does it follow chords punched in to it somehow? like an auto arranger device
just curious
post some preset examples if possible
thanks
I am a BR-1600 user, but I have never used the drum or bass features, but I do know that the drum machine is standard to most Boss recorders, and works pretty much the same way. Same with the bass, I believe. What you have to do for the bassline to work is create a "chord map" so that the Boss knows what notes to play over your chords -- sounds very tedious to me, and I would never use it. Partly because of the tedium and partly because I don't want a machine coming up with my basslines for me. But for those without bass guitars and those who don't want to have to tinker with basslines, it may work out.
I think the drum machine is pretty standard, though, and I bet anyone here who uses programmed drums on any Boss could help you.
As for the bass, I think if you ask the same question in other boards, there may be some people who own the 900 or 1200, for example, that have used this function.
I am sorry that this post is probably of absolutely zero help to you. I just wanted to make sure you knew I wasn't completely ignoring you! ;D
i'm trying to see what advantage there is from the 1200 to the 1600.
mic pre's is about it
does the 1600 record 8 tracks simultaneously?
that would be a big deal
GTR - Yep, the BR1600 will record on all 8 inputs. So you can mike-up the band if you wish. The internal drum and bass that's included with BR1200 (and I presume it's the same one supplied with the 1600), is functional and can be made to produce decent arrangements, though as BSZ pointed out, it can be a tedious affair. Though to be fair to the Boss designers, the Bells-&-Whistles are there if you want to do everything yourself. Now, I'm not going to fall out with anyone over this, but my experience is with the BR864, BR900, and the BR1200 is that the internal drum patterns do differ between the models. Certainly I cannot find exactly the same patterns on the 1200 as are on the 900, and I left a pattern from the 864 in-situ when I transfered it to the 900 because I couldn't locate the exact pattern there. Don't forget though, Boss do upgrade their versions via the Internet, so perhaps eventually all the machines will have all the patterns. The 1600 has 16 tracks, but, tracks 9/10, 11/12, 13/14, 15/16, are stereo and can't be split into mono tracks. On the 1200, tracks 9/10, 11/12, are stereo, and the internal bass is dedicated to track 8. On the 1600, the dedicated bass track is one of the stereo tracks (which I don't really understand, I have the 1200, not the 1600). Both these machines can produce fantastic results. Good luck with your decision.
YES! Echoing SteveB's comments, the 8 simultaneous inputs are the main reason I have a BR-1600. For me, it's to mic drums properly. If the simultaneous inputs are important to you, it's well worth the money!
Quote from: SteveB on July 07, 2009, 02:00:26 PMGTR - The 1600 has 16 tracks, but, tracks 9/10, 11/12, 13/14, 15/16, are stereo and can't be split into mono tracks. On the 1200, tracks 9/10, 11/12, are stereo, and the internal bass is dedicated to track 8. On the 1600, the dedicated bass track is one of the stereo tracks (which I don't really understand, I have the 1200, not the 1600). Both these machines can produce fantastic results. Good luck with your decision.
so it's got 8 mono tracks and 4 stereo tracks-
the 600 5/6 and 7/8 stereo
i wouldnt think of wasting a stereo trk on a bass track, unless the track has stereo effects
does the 1200 use a hard drive? what size?
Pah! not wasting a stereo track on a bass track! Wash your mouth out. ;)
I myself routinely use 2 tracks for bass. And yes, you can apply stereo effects to the twin bass track. But again, I wouldn't use the auto bass track on any Boss recorder when you could just manually do the bass yourself many different ways -- even if you don't own a bass, have access to one, or even know how to play it.
Quote from: Flash Harry on July 07, 2009, 03:20:45 PMPah! not wasting a stereo track on a bass track! Wash your mouth out. ;)
you know-i thought you would be offended FH-lol
sorry 'bout that chief
Quote from: SteveB on July 07, 2009, 02:00:26 PMdoes the 1200 use a hard drive? what size?
GTR - Yes, the 1200 has a 40gb hard-drive. The latest from Boss by the way, is that the BR1600 is now shipping with an 80gb hard-drive, so if you do go for the 1600, make sure you don't get palmed-off with the 40gb version, unless it's dramatically reduced in price.
Don't forget also, that you're not just talking about 12 or 16 tracks here. With the V-tracks, the 1200 is effectively a 196-track recorder, and if you wished to dedicate the whole 40gbs to one song, you could do. There are also features which I haven't seen mentioned anywhere on the board yet (Though admittedly I'm still a Newbie), such as the speaker-simulation facility on these machines 1200/1600, which will give you some idea as to how your song etc will sound while being outputted through various speakers: Little lo-fi to Big Boomers (It isn't Earth-shattering, but it is something not found on the smaller models).
Once you have one of these machines, then there really isn't anymore you're gonna need in the recording dept, just listen to Pinedog, & Bosco's offerings in their respective threads. (I choose those two, because I haven't yet listened to others in the threads.). Any money you then have left over can be spent on beers and guitars! ;)
The BR-1200 comes with the 80G harddrive now also, I got mine 2 months ago and was pleasantly surprised to see 80g. Unless you need to mic up real drums like Boscko or want to record a jam with multiple inputs recorded simultaneously like Blooby, there is no need for the 1600. If you want to do those type of things just mentioned the 1600 is the way to go. Other than multiple inputs for simultaneous recording (the 1200 only lets you do this with 2 inputs) the two units are pretty much the same in every other way. For me, solo home recording, no real drums to record, only one input at a time, the 1200 is all I need.
BB - I stand pleasantly corrected then. Please keep that type of update coming if I post out-of-date material. ;)
Regarding bass and drum programming, I wrote a few application notes on the topic and its available on my website here:
http://www.topsoundproductions.com/appnotes/ApplicationNotes.htm
Gene Cookmeyer
Top Sound Productions
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/BR1600/
Quote from: musiclover166 on July 13, 2009, 08:38:22 AMRegarding bass and drum programming, I wrote a few application notes on the topic and its available on my website here:
http://www.topsoundproductions.com/appnotes/ApplicationNotes.htm
Gene Cookmeyer
Top Sound Productions
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/BR1600/
Very cool. I have had limited success with importing loops, so I dropped it. I will have to give it another whirl after reading your article.
guitarron, didn't mean to hijack your thread with my post. Maybe they could be combined. Sorry about that.
Peace.
Blooby
Quote from: musiclover166 on July 13, 2009, 08:38:22 AMRegarding bass and drum programming, I wrote a few application notes on the topic and its available on my website here:
http://www.topsoundproductions.com/appnotes/ApplicationNotes.htm
Gene Cookmeyer
Top Sound Productions
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/BR1600/
interesting site-some things about the br1600 i didnt know about-such as being able to use 2 units together
Quote from: Blooby on July 13, 2009, 08:45:37 AMQuote from: musiclover166 on July 13, 2009, 08:38:22 AMRegarding bass and drum programming, I wrote a few application notes on the topic and its available on my website here:
http://www.topsoundproductions.com/appnotes/ApplicationNotes.htm
Gene Cookmeyer
Top Sound Productions
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/BR1600/
guitarron, didn't mean to hijack your thread with my post. Maybe they could be combined. Sorry about that.
Peace.
Blooby
no problem Blooby-you've been very helpful
I have had a BR1600 for a while and have never solved the problem of audio input being extremely low from a mic. I have a Roland dynamic mic and a Shure SM58 and it doesn't matter whether I use phantom power or not, I have to have the input dial almost to the max for it to record audio. It doesn't sound too bad until you try to amplify it with compression but it is nowhere near the standard of sound I am trying to achieve.
Has anyone solved this problem, or failing that, any suggestions for a good mic that definitely works with the unit (although I was told that Shure SM58 is pretty much standard...)
Thanks in advance
I don't have a 1600 but i can relate to your problem and have 2 cents, here it is.
Your SM58 is a dynamic microphone; it is to be expected that you need to pre-amp this signal strongly. Phantom power makes no difference because it is passive, unlike a condenser mic.
The SM58 is GREAT (indeed, pretty much standard) for using with a PA (live amplification) for vox or E-guitar cab miking, which makes it not so great for recording vox or acoustic intr., where you need more freq. range and faster dynamic response. It's just too dull and flat.
There are some super (studio) condenser mic's available in the roughly $80-$150 range, but they go up into the thousands
Oh and a warm welcome to the forum! check out some of the posted tunes, hang out, collaborate, share , most of all: have fun!
Hit "Utility" and then go to "System." The second or third thing down in the menu is for phantom power. Like SdC said, switch the phantom power on.
Blooby
Quote from: Blooby on August 24, 2009, 02:27:56 PM....Like SdC said, switch it on.
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huh? never said that. quite the contrary. it's only for condenser mic's not for dynamic mic's
ABK - First of all welcome to the Forum, lots of fun and answers here.
This would help - it can be bought on Amazon (Various versions - various denominations etc £s/$s/€s):
http://www.behringer.com/en/products/mic200.aspx