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Title: Outlier
Post by: Ferryman_1957 on February 10, 2021, 09:07:46 AM
Songcrafters is a great place BUT....................

There simply aren't enough doom-laden metal influenced post-rock instrumentals on this site.

So single-handedly I am setting about changing that. Here's one such ditty, all recorded on my Bass VI through my fancy pedalboard. Individual tracks all recorded on the BR-800 then uploaded to my DAW for mixing and then mastering in Ozone 9.

The drums are onboard BR 800 drums, slightly reprogrammed and with replacement crash and hi-hat sounds.


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Post by: BerryPatch on February 10, 2021, 09:19:11 AM
Awesome! You totally nailed that Sleep/Kyuss stoner rock sound. Bass sounds very thick with that heavy distortion. I totally dig it!
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Post by: Flash Harry on February 10, 2021, 09:35:29 AM
You're right - More please!

This is great, replacing the cymbals is a good move, what a difference that makes.

And the sounds you get out of that weird bass and the tortuous electronicals are amazing. Doom laden, the Covids/Zombies/taxmen are after you and you feel every pounding step as they approach.

Fabulous.
 
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Post by: tonyc on February 10, 2021, 11:03:23 AM
wow sounds superb . those drums sound great what a great tune love it and the mix is fantastic ..cool ......cheers tony cee
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Post by: Ray Brookes on February 10, 2021, 11:35:32 AM
Awesome sound and fantastic production skills. Echos of doom and very sinister. Fabulous drum programming and that bass sound is sensational.
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Post by: Hilary on February 10, 2021, 02:23:00 PM
I thought it was quite driving, like pushing through - it that makes any sense.

Epic as always, congrats Mr Ferryman.
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Post by: WarpCanada on February 10, 2021, 06:02:22 PM
Do you master with Ozone9 in standalone mode?   I'd like to know how you set up the custom drum setup on the boss also.

I definitely got some doom vibes and some sort of dystopian sci-fi action flick soundtrack feeling.    Very cool song.
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Post by: StephenM on February 10, 2021, 10:53:40 PM
must be me but I hear no doom....or gloom....just really, really big sound.... like a wall of sound... I am listening to this on my work speakers (Presonus 3.5 inch ref monitors,,,,,not at all bad)..... this reminds me of a Rush track....and that is one of my favorite bands.... the bass is slightly like Ted Nugent on Stranglehold....you know I am always going to notice the bass, or lack there of.... we need more of your work on here.....thanks...
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Post by: Kenneth on February 11, 2021, 01:12:49 AM
First thing that came to mind is Rush. Its got that definite thing that they do, hard to capture, but you did it.

I love it.
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Post by: Kenneth on February 11, 2021, 01:22:55 AM
This track deserves more from a comment...
First off, the drum programming is fantastic... I know how hard that is to make it sound free, nicely done.
I love the chorus / chord grind that does that thing Alex Lifeson does. Brilliant.

We have to wait awhile for a track from you Nigel, but its worth the wait.

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Post by: Hilary on February 11, 2021, 02:09:51 AM
Quote from: StephenM on February 10, 2021, 10:53:40 PMmust be me but I hear no doom....or gloom....just really, really big sound....
I didn't hear any doom or gloom either just excellence  :)
Title: Re: Outlier
Post by: Ferryman_1957 on February 11, 2021, 03:05:37 AM
Thanks for the feedback everyone, much appreciated  ;D

The "doom" thing is more the genre than the actual concept. My inspiration here was doom metal, which uses slow, heavy beats and sludgy, choppy guitars. So Keith had it nailed when he mentioned Sleep, which is one such band. However, I think I went a bit proggy and I can see where the Rush comparisons come from, which is definitely a compliment in my book!

Thanks to everyone who said they would like to see more song postings from me. Sadly, that is unlikely to happen because even though I have more time (being retired), my obsessive nature means that I spend a long time composing, arranging, recording and mixing anything. I try to make every sound as "perfect" as I can make it, which means I can spend ages fiddling with effect settings and stitching together multiple sounds and tracks to create a sound that I have in my head. Which is a weird place.

So I will forever be a slow worker but I enjoy the process so much I am unlikely to change.......

Quote from: WarpCanada on February 10, 2021, 06:02:22 PMDo you master with Ozone9 in standalone mode?   I'd like to know how you set up the custom drum setup on the boss also.
I record everything on the BR-800 and mix everything in my DAW on the PC. I use Neutron Elements (from Izotope) as a plugin on every channel for EQ and compression, and I use Izotope Tonal Balance Control on the master bus to help check the final mix. I then master in standalone Ozone 9, mainly using presets with slight tweaks.

I'll do a post in the Boss recorders section on how I use the Boss drum editor. I have got to grips with this and was pleased with what I was able to achieve. I'll be using this more in future.
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Post by: IanR on February 11, 2021, 04:41:58 AM
Dear Nigel,

I don't care how often you post because each time is a joy.

This was magnificent.

Ian
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Post by: Pine on February 11, 2021, 08:42:10 AM
woohoo! This is fun! Loved that dark and ominous tone. Am i right in thinking you did this ALL with a 6 string bass and effects? If so, it's genius. Loved the cool stops at around 1:30 and also the section around 2:30 when the "guitar" sounds return. Then the proggy section did pull in some Rush similarities. Your drum programming is way beyond anything i could ever do. The mix and production was stellar Nigel... your "obsessive" issues may be a hindrance to quantity but speak well of the quality. As i have said before, the older i get the more i enjoy instrumentals. They allow you to take the song mentally wherever it will, and lyrics tend to lead the listener. Would love to see/hear you work up another piece like this. Gotta have a "B"side! Excellent work Nigel..loved it.
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Post by: Greeny (No longer active) on February 11, 2021, 08:48:56 AM
Been looking forward to this since I saw it posted. It's doom-laden alright, but with a bit of punk sneer / attitude. Like Black Sabbath meets Killing Joke. Production-wise it's perfectionist perfection ;-) And I don't know how you can get everything sounding that heavy and massive with such clarity. Those stereo drum rolls from left to right - f*cking amazing! It's all positively symphonic. Cor blimey - it's off the scale incredible.
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Post by: Greeny (No longer active) on February 11, 2021, 08:53:53 AM
There's a bit at 2:10 which really reminds me of 'Angel' by Massive Attack. Same kind of massive chord sounds.
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Post by: Oldrottenhead on February 11, 2021, 09:40:33 AM
wow! you have just created your own genre Nigel. And some of those bass sounds have your signature all over them. Have soNgplayer on in the background and new this was one of yours just by listening. Not only do we need more alt rock we need more stuff from you. Ya lazy bugger. That said your stuff is always worth the wait.
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Post by: Johnny McAleer on February 11, 2021, 09:50:41 AM
As all the above. A masterpiece of production. well done!
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Post by: Mike_S on February 11, 2021, 04:41:24 PM
Massive sounding Nigel. I am also getting a touch of the Cure thrown in here to the mix. A really moody, brooding huuuuge wall of sound. Very well crafted and great stuff indeed.

Mike
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Post by: SE on February 11, 2021, 04:58:10 PM
 Two things, never read comments on a Ferryman  tune cause it always going to be great, second too short can't  get enough  of a good thing  ;D
Apart from the above, enjoyed it lots, more please!
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Post by: Bluesberry on February 11, 2021, 08:46:40 PM
I have been anticipating hearing this one....and damn it doesn't disappoint......first off, the drums sound very excellent....good job on that  part....as for the rest....sweet sheeet how I love the sound of this...damn it just ended......turn it back on for another listen.......yes...so good....I can't believe that it is so heavy, but also light, clear, airy even.....it floats almost....such a good job on the recording Nigel.....damn it just ended again....back in for another listen......
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Post by: StephenM on February 11, 2021, 09:15:22 PM
i just opened two players and have both of these going at once...about 7 or 8 seconds difference and same volume....the coolest...smokin....the song is smokin as is....but this is my kind of thing....
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Post by: pjd1 on February 12, 2021, 01:40:40 PM
I am loving this and i like your angle and attitude in this first rate composition , timing is just incredible and is perfect , those guitars man wow , loving it from the first note to the last , really enjoyed the track and i feel there is more were that come from , ferkin A

Dunny
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Post by: Redler on February 12, 2021, 09:45:56 PM
Really good and heavy tones with excellent production! Instrumental music at its best. On some spots I got a bit Portishead vibe, I was expecting Beth Gibbon's voice :)

Enjoyable listening!
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Post by: maxit on February 15, 2021, 11:22:28 AM
hey ! Just finished to surprise with the BIIIG (ken)^2 sound, and now THIS! Strange as it may seem, I was singing along the melodic part (I mean, they sing along at metal concerts huh?), cool!!!
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Post by: tonyc on February 15, 2021, 11:26:23 AM
already commented on this tune but its so bloody good i thought it was worth another comment . fantastic superb , brilliant . ......cheers tony cee
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Post by: des0free on February 15, 2021, 04:10:23 PM
You took the time to achieve perfection and you definitely did!  You have achieved that "massive sound" that I wish I knew how to do (of course I want to run out and buy the plugins you mention now, but I'm sure its more in how you use them...).   I like the composition and the mixing/mastering is perfect.  The substituted cymbal sounds really stand out as near perfection in the mix. 
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Post by: Jean Pierre on February 16, 2021, 09:44:45 AM
I don't often go to original songs...but I couldn't miss this one!

Kenneth a dit
Quoteirst off, the drum programming is fantastic...
I love the chorus / chord grind that does that thing Alex Lifeson does. Brilliant.

We have to wait awhile for a track from you Nigel, but its worth the wait.
....  Je ne peux dire mieux
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Post by: Kenneth on February 28, 2021, 06:20:03 PM
Enjoying this on a lazy Sunday.
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Post by: Greeny (No longer active) on March 01, 2021, 03:23:42 AM
Yep... it's a masterclass.
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Post by: kenny mac on March 01, 2021, 03:55:50 AM
This is excellent.
Its amazing how many people hear different things in this.
I can hear a u2,the edge,bullet the blue sky type vibe in 1.55.
Also a peter  Hook feel througout.
An excellent piece of work.
Well done sir.
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Post by: Nelson on March 02, 2021, 05:55:29 PM
Jesus... Nigel
I don't what to say but UH... Stunning, this is absolutely stunning

Bravo