I wanted to figure out if I can make a track I'm happy with purely with the Boss BR600, utilizing the EQ, PAN, and other things that I hadn't bothered with when making "extremely rough mixes or pedalboard improvisational jams".
This is my Squier Tele and my Godin Shifter bass into my Guitar pedalboard, since the PodGO on there has some good bass presets as well as guitar presets. My guitar's preamp was in the signal chain but this amp has a "standby" switch that lets you disable the built in speaker. Apparently thunderous bass frequencies are not great for the life and health of GUITAR amps. I do have a Bass amp but as this was all "direct into the BR600" none of that mattered.
I also found an interesting way to get AUDIO off the BOSS BR600. I used my ipad plus a cable, and plugged the boss br600 into the IPAD. This works, surprisingly, and you can use the FILES app on iOS devices to get files OFF a Boss Recorder. I like that my 2020 ipad and my "designed circa 2001 boss br600" can talk to each other better than Windows 10 will talk to this Boss recorder. In fact all my apple devices, including ancient and modern Macbooks and Mac Minis, can be connected easily to the Boss BR600, but I have to use Windows 7 to get a Windows PC to connect to it.
Also interestingly, onboard audio conversion from the .wav produced by the Boss BR600 into apps like Cubasis (a DAW for ipad) are TERRIBLE.
If anyone's interested in a video or a tutorial of "using an ipad with a boss recorder", I could probably make one once I figure out the quirks.
I'm listening on my new refernce monitors...they are not expensive, Presonus Eris 3.5inch.... but I felt I just couldn't go on mixing as I was....and this track here sounds really good on my new monitors... It's great that you love to create as much or more as I do. I am finding I am a bit obsessed right now with it.... I tend to obsess on things I am into...not that I am a stickler for every detail but the things I like, I do it, think about it when I am not, and then do it some more....I got on the site in August and the influences of other writers and musicicans, singers has had an enormous impact on what I have done and am doing... I am looking forwad to watch your continued enthusiasm and the things you will put out Warren....
oh yeah and i forgot to mention I have to try that file thing with my device to see if it works on my BR....cool
Awesome. 3.5" monitors will be great for reference. Presonus makes good stuff.
I bought KRK Rokit 5s and would like to move to Adam 7s, but I don't have enough money for that.
My wife is very supportive, which is good. But budgets do have limits. :-)
Kind of a chill-wave feel with this one I think. Nice!
Interesting about the BR600 wave files. I'd been using BRWC.exe for years now with a card reader on win-7 to save the files and was hoping when I "have" to move up to win-10 that it could still be used. I don't have any Apple stuff (too cheap) and doubt that Android has a win emulator? Anyway, I suppose I can always play direct into Audacity with an interface(?) and save it that way to work on no matter what windows I'm using?
Quote from: WarpCanada on November 26, 2020, 04:07:07 PMI like that my 2020 ipad and my "designed circa 2001 boss br600" can talk to each other better than Windows 10 will talk to this Boss recorder. In fact all my apple devices, including ancient and modern Macbooks and Mac Minis, can be connected easily to the Boss BR600, but I have to use Windows 7 to get a Windows PC to connect to it.
I don't understand why Windows 10 can't recognise a BR-600. It's just a USB storage device, so no special drivers should be needed and any modern operating system should be able to connect to it and access its files.
The easy solution is to
not connect the BR-600 directly to your computer, but to instead pop the CompactFlash card out of the BR and put it into a USB card reader. Hopefully, Windows 10 isn't so stupid that it can't recognise a common card reader. To your computer, a BR CompactFlash card in a card reader looks exactly the same as a BR connected to the computer's USB port. And all of the popular BR software such as BR Wave Converter, BR Rhythm Editor, BR Explorer, and BR Song Librarian will work just fine with it. They behave exactly as they do when the BR is connected directly to the computer. The software can't tell the difference between a BR and a card reader with a BR memory card. I do this all the time with my BR-864 because my BR and my computer are located in different parts of the house, so to connect the BR to my computer is a pain because I have to disconnect the power supply, all of the audio and MIDI cables and the expression pedal, then carry it up to my computer and hook up a power supply and USB cable. Then when I'm finished with it, I'd have to take it back downstairs and connect everything up again. It's much easier to switch the BR off, pop the memory card out, then take it up to my computer and pop it into my card reader. That way, I never have to disconnect the cables from my BR. It stays permanently connected and ready to use all the time.
I never make WAV files on my BR. Instead, I put the CompactFlash card in my card reader and use BR Wave Converter to convert the tracks to WAV files. Much easier and much
faster. My card reader is USB 3.0 so it's much faster than the USB 1.1 in my BR-864 (the BR-600 is also USB 1.1).
Unfortunately, you can't use BR software on your iPad because there aren't any iOS versions available. But you can use a card reader connected to the iPad to do everything you can currently do by connecting your BR directly to the iPad (transfer WAV files back and forth). It will work exactly the same, except it will be much faster.
I use Wine (https://www.winehq.org/) in Linux to run Windows versions of all the popular BR software and it works just fine. Unfortunately, Wine isn't currently available for iOS, but there does seem to be something for Android (https://wiki.winehq.org/Download). Perhaps there's something similar to Wine that's available for iOS? If there is, then you could probably use it to run the Windows versions of BR software on your iPad. Then again, knowing how Apple operates, I doubt if they'd allow any such emulation software to work in their OS. Another option would be to create a virtual machine in iOS running Windows XP or even Windows 98, then run the BR software in the virtual machine. I don't know what software is available for iOS for creating virtual machines, but a quick search uncovered this one (https://getutm.app/).
Quote from: 64Guitars on November 27, 2020, 03:01:45 PMQuote from: WarpCanada on November 26, 2020, 04:07:07 PMI like that my 2020 ipad and my "designed circa 2001 boss br600" can talk to each other better than Windows 10 will talk to this Boss recorder. In fact all my apple devices, including ancient and modern Macbooks and Mac Minis, can be connected easily to the Boss BR600, but I have to use Windows 7 to get a Windows PC to connect to it.
I don't understand why Windows 10 can't recognise a BR-600. It's just a USB storage device, so no special drivers should be needed and any modern operating system should be able to connect to it and access its files.
The easy solution is to not connect the BR-600 directly to your computer, but to instead pop the CompactFlash card out of the BR and put it into a USB card reader. Hopefully, Windows 10 isn't so stupid that it can't recognise a common card reader. To your computer, a BR CompactFlash card in a card reader looks exactly the same as a BR connected to the computer's USB port. And all of the popular BR software such as BR Wave Converter, BR Rhythm Editor, BR Explorer, and BR Song Librarian will work just fine with it. They behave exactly as they do when the BR is connected directly to the computer. The software can't tell the difference between a BR and a card reader with a BR memory card. I do this all the time with my BR-864 because my BR and my computer are located in different parts of the house, so to connect the BR to my computer is a pain because I have to disconnect the power supply, all of the audio and MIDI cables and the expression pedal, then carry it up to my computer and hook up a power supply and USB cable. Then when I'm finished with it, I'd have to take it back downstairs and connect everything up again. It's much easier to switch the BR off, pop the memory card out, then take it up to my computer and pop it into my card reader. That way, I never have to disconnect the cables from my BR. It stays permanently connected and ready to use all the time.
I never make WAV files on my BR. Instead, I put the CompactFlash card in my card reader and use BR Wave Converter to convert the tracks to WAV files. Much easier and much faster. My card reader is USB 3.0 so it's much faster than the USB 1.1 in my BR-864 (the BR-600 is also USB 1.1).
Unfortunately, you can't use BR software on your iPad because there aren't any iOS versions available. But you can use a card reader connected to the iPad to do everything you can currently do by connecting your BR directly to the iPad (transfer WAV files back and forth). It will work exactly the same, except it will be much faster.
I use Wine (https://www.winehq.org/) in Linux to run Windows versions of all the popular BR software and it works just fine. Unfortunately, Wine isn't currently available for iOS, but there does seem to be something for Android (https://wiki.winehq.org/Download). Perhaps there's something similar to Wine that's available for iOS? If there is, then you could probably use it to run the Windows versions of BR software on your iPad. Then again, knowing how Apple operates, I doubt if they'd allow any such emulation software to work in their OS. Another option would be to create a virtual machine in iOS running Windows XP or even Windows 98, then run the BR software in the virtual machine. I don't know what software is available for iOS for creating virtual machines, but a quick search uncovered this one (https://getutm.app/).
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for just the reason you said...the inconvenience of having the slow process of transferring files from the BR (in my case the 1600) to the computer and also sometimes its hard to get near a computer... I ended up with a long usb extension.... I bought a Zoom R24 just because of the convenience of the SD card storage and I can easily take files off on USB thumbdrive plus I can interface with a DAW if i want to (never have though).... In the end I use both my Zoom and my BR... If you were going to produce a master with just these machines, the BR blows the Zoom out of the water.... it has better effects and can record higher levels without distorting (jmo... but I am pretty sure I have good evidence).... so I used the Zoom for a while and then put it on the shelf... and then back to the BR... then back to the zoom.... lately I have used the Zoom (I especially like it for making loops) and I have been using the onboard mics almost exclusively just because they are so easy... and I have recorded with pretty good condenser mics and lots of dynamic mics using pop filters and vibratiion rigs etc....in the end, I can't make my vocals sound any better with those than the Zoom.... my last recording i did all the tracks on the BR then did a rough mix....dumped it into the zoom.... and then did my vocals there and back to the BR...... I am not a great singer but I was very happy with the way it worked.... I did use an effect off the Zoom that was put on the vocals and then I added a bit of delay on the BR during mixing.... I can't imagine a scenario anymore where I would get rid of either of these recorders... the Zoom is so portable and it can run on batteries... (it ain't a cheap machine though).... I would consider buying a Tascam 32 track just because there you actually have all those sliders....so when you mix, you don't have to either automate or flip between 8 tracks like on the zoom... alot of my stuff I end up with 16 tracks or more and it's hard to keep up with... I suppose I could automate.....which is kind of what I do when I mix on a DAW ( which I have some lately but not always)...
I like the dark feel of this! You've captured something special on your song! Fine instrumenta music.
Very nice Warren, I enjoy this kind of thing and I loved the bass sound here, it really creates a nice dark atmosphere with the guitar sprinkling some lovely sounds around it. Very cool track and great use of the BR.
I do like trippy. Cool tones, especially the bowel-rattling bass.
Blooby
Some great ideas going on here , I can feel the next part of the song dropping in with drums and that lovely bass line (just and idea)
Dunny
Good idea about this having a drop longer second part. I think I might try mixing this down without the drums from the BR600 and doing my own drum part.
> I don't understand why Windows 10 can't recognise a BR-600. It's just a USB storage device, so no special drivers should be needed and any modern operating system should be able to connect to it and access its files.
Yeah, the reason it works with an iPad is because of a USB Feature called "Class Compliance". So like a USB stick, this Br-600 should have been a proper Class Compliant "block storage" device, equivalent to a usb stick. But some combination of the quirks in BOSS's usb client side, and Windows 10's host side, leads to a broken system.