Hi. I have now got an i phone, the first app I got was rock drum machine 2. It sounds great and is easy to use but, when plugged into the BR80 line in, there is nowhere near enough volume for recording purposes. Also I'm not sure these apps are stereo. So the questions are.
Are they all this low in volume when connected to a MBR or BR80?
Are they in stereo?
What can I do about the volume issue?
I am interested in Thumbjam but again I ain't to sure if it's gonna stack up.
I tried the drum app using line out from the phone to input ( guitar) using a stereo 1/4 inch jack, It was better in regard to volume but it didn't sound like stereo to me. I quite like the idea of some of these apps, just a little nervous about their sound/ volume capabilities.
Many thanks.
They should have normal volume. When you select line in as input you can select it to be stereo or mono. Make sure you turn up the input signal and mastering level. And male sure the destination tracks are panned full left and right to get full stereo spectrum.
Hey Chip, congrats on the new iPhone. I've never use the app you're talking about but all the apps I have used are in stereo. On my other recorders I've actually had to plug in to two separate mono channels in order to get stereo.
On the original MBR you could plug into the line out and it works great with iPhone but on the BR 80 I find it's a little different. When I plugged into the line in it activated my stereo mics, which I thought odd so I took a cord that runs 8th inch to quarter inch and went direct through the guitar Input and I wasn't sure if I was getting stereo. of course the quarter-inch side of the court doesn't appear to be stereo.
I haven't had much time to play around with the BR 80 but I will try to later today. Stereo drums are pretty important to me also and I love garage band for drums. Thumbjam is great and most of the sounds are fine mono. Animoog is another favorite of mine and it's definitely stereo so I'll try to do something with that. This is definitely a concern of mine going forward with the BR80 so let's figure this out. I think I have a eighth inch to quarter inch stereo adapter so I'm gonna try that with a stereo eighth inch cord.
Rock on!
Quote from: Oldrottenhead on October 19, 2015, 06:17:39 AMThey should have normal volume. When you select line in as input you can select it to be stereo or mono. Make sure you turn up the input signal and mastering level. And male sure the destination tracks are panned full left and right to get full stereo spectrum.
Hi . The BR80 doesn't have any gain control when using line in, there is no way to adjust the volume, I think?
Quote from: Hook on October 19, 2015, 07:03:28 AMHey Chip, congrats on the new iPhone. I've never use the app you're talking about but all the apps I have used are in stereo. On my other recorders I've actually had to plug in to two separate mono channels in order to get stereo.
On the original MBR you could plug into the line out and it works great with iPhone but on the BR 80 I find it's a little different. When I plugged into the line in it activated my stereo mics, which I thought odd so I took a cord that runs 8th inch to quarter inch and went direct through the guitar Input and I wasn't sure if I was getting stereo. of course the quarter-inch side of the court doesn't appear to be stereo.
I haven't had much time to play around with the BR 80 but I will try to later today. Stereo drums are pretty important to me also and I love garage band for drums. Thumbjam is great and most of the sounds are fine mono. Animoog is another favorite of mine and it's definitely stereo so I'll try to do something with that. This is definitely a concern of mine going forward with the BR80 so let's figure this out. I think I have a eighth inch to quarter inch stereo adapter so I'm gonna try that with a stereo eighth inch cord.
Rock on!
Hi Hook. I took the phones out from the i phone 1/8 inch then connected the other end 1/8 inch to a stereo 1/4 inch adapter and plugged into the guitar input on the BR80. I used fat compression? cosm to listen to the app, this boosts the volume but it's not the same as line in??? The kaossilator sounds great using line in. The i phone, perhaps hasn't the gain the kaoss has. I don't really want to shell out on a headphone amp so using the 1/4 inch method may have to suffice.
The i phone came my way as a gift from my sister who upgraded to the i6, mine being i5, these apps and the thread about them have me in the grip of app gas, but I have to know how they are going to stack up in the BR80 before parting with the hard earned
I have now retired the 1200 as I found it to much hassle and to slow to use, the BR80 is much faster and ideas are far easy to get down and up and running.
I shall wait on thumbjam until more info is forth coming, but it's taking some doing when one is in the grip of app gas attack. ;
Edit... Concerning line in. Turn the input down and the sens down and the on board mics will not be heard. I think? I don't use them as I use the Rode so I will have to double check that.
You won't regret thumbjam, best $10 I ever spent!
I guess the question is does the guitar input on the br80 accept a stereo signal?
Quote from: Hook on October 19, 2015, 09:08:34 AMYou won't regret thumbjam, best $10 I ever spent!
Don't Hook, I can't keep my finger off the button :-\
Quote from: Hook on October 19, 2015, 09:09:51 AMI guess the question is does the guitar input on the br80 accept a stereo signal?
We need to know the answer, I can't see why not but.
Quote from: chip on October 19, 2015, 09:11:11 AMQuote from: Hook on October 19, 2015, 09:08:34 AMYou won't regret thumbjam, best $10 I ever spent!
Don't Hook, I can't keep my finger off the button :-\
I'm just saying.
Quote from: chip on October 19, 2015, 09:13:16 AMQuote from: Hook on October 19, 2015, 09:09:51 AMI guess the question is does the guitar input on the br80 accept a stereo signal?
We need to know the answer, I can't see why not but.
This looks like a job for 64 guitars...like a bird, like a plane.
Quote from: Hook on October 19, 2015, 09:15:43 AMQuote from: chip on October 19, 2015, 09:11:11 AMQuote from: Hook on October 19, 2015, 09:08:34 AMYou won't regret thumbjam, best $10 I ever spent!
Don't Hook, I can't keep my finger off the button :-\
I'm just saying.
Quote from: chip on October 19, 2015, 09:13:16 AMQuote from: Hook on October 19, 2015, 09:09:51 AMI guess the question is does the guitar input on the br80 accept a stereo signal?
We need to know the answer, I can't see why not but.
This looks like a job for 64 guitars...like a bird, like a plane.
Indeed. Here is a neat review of the drum app I have http://main.iosmars.com/2014/09/11/rock-drum-machine-review-drum-loop-app-gets-on-the-bus/
Ok, so I did some playing around and I am definitely not getting a stereo signal through the guitar input. I am getting a stereo signal through the line in but it is a lower level than I'm used to. I also want to know why I'm getting my internal mics on when I try to record line in. I can turn the rec level down all the way and it cuts the mics off and does nothing to the line in. Why wouldn't boss put some kind of level on the line in???
I just recorded a track of drums (GarageBand) through the line in and I got enough level to work with but I had my iPad volume all the way up, make sure your phone volume is up. With the Tascam 008 I would clip at that volume, some peculiar choices boss made when designing the br80!
Quote from: Hook on October 19, 2015, 03:05:36 PMOk, so I did some playing around and I am definitely not getting a stereo signal through the guitar input. I am getting a stereo signal through the line in but it is a lower level than I'm used to. I also want to know why I'm getting my internal mics on when I try to record line in. I can turn the rec level down all the way and it cuts the mics off and does nothing to the line in. Why wouldn't boss put some kind of level on the line in???
I just recorded a track of drums (GarageBand) through the line in and I got enough level to work with but I had my iPad volume all the way up, make sure your phone volume is up. With the Tascam 008 I would clip at that volume, some peculiar choices boss made when designing the br80!
Hey Hook. Yes there is no stereo signal from the guitar input and no there is no internal control for line in, which I sort of knew anyway. The good news is. On the rock drum machine I managed to figure out how to boost the volume by turning up the drums in the mixer session which is in the apps menu, now it's more than enough using line in and is stereo.
Also, I got the thumbjam app, I couldn't resist. Wow is all I can say, I never in my wildest dreams thought that one day I would be using a phone for musical purposes, the sounds from this app are terrific and very realistic, at the moment I am trying to figure it out. Again I was concerned about the level and I was right it was low, but then I found a extra level slider called I phone boost, which can boost the app level from 0db to 10 db, using this slider got me in the level territory I wanted. That thumbjam though,is far out.
Boss should have done something with the line in, I seem to remember on the MBR this could be done?
Yep, the MicroBR did allow you to use input level control wheel for line-in, and the BR-80 does not.
However, the BR-80 does support line level input but also mixes line level with the built in mics, so if you find your levels are low check that input thumbwheel is all the way down and that you're actually feeding a line level signal at the correct volume into the recorder (as you did).
Quote from: cuthbert on October 22, 2015, 12:39:30 PM....
However, the BR-80 does support line level input but also mixes line level with the built in mics, so if you find your levels are low check that input thumbwheel is all the way up and that you're actually feeding a line level signal at the correct volume into the recorder (as you did).
.... ah but you don't want to do that. !! As the line in goes straight to the recorder, bypassing the rec-level ans "sens" settings you want to turn the rec level all the way down so you dont get the mic signal mixed in on your recording! (se page 53 in the manual)
If there's no trouble with your cable (mini-jack <-> mini-jack) you should be able to get a high enough level from your iPhone. I've done it many times.
A better solution is to get Audiobus and Audioshare, two apps that come in very handy. Audiobus lets you connect the output from one app to the "input" of another. Audioshare can be used to record input from a source, but ALSO to share audiorecordings between a number of apps! Check the review on iosmars or at http://www.musicappblog.com/
(https://songcrafters.org/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=24056.0;attach=70930)
Glad you joined in the conversation Geir. I get confused with audiobus but I haven't really tried either. I need to accept that my pad is so much more than just every instrument.
Rock on!
Quote from: Geir on October 27, 2015, 04:37:39 AMQuote from: cuthbert on October 22, 2015, 12:39:30 PM....
However, the BR-80 does support line level input but also mixes line level with the built in mics, so if you find your levels are low check that input thumbwheel is all the way up and that you're actually feeding a line level signal at the correct volume into the recorder (as you did).
.... ah but you don't want to do that. !! As the line in goes straight to the recorder, bypassing the rec-level ans "sens" settings you want to turn the rec level all the way down so you dont get the mic signal mixed in on your recording! (se page 53 in the manual)
Oh dear...I remembered the mix function of the input wheel, but forgot the correct direction to get full line-in. As Geir said, make sure the input wheel is all the way
down for 100% line-in. I'll update my last post on that.