I've updated our song player to a new one which I wrote in HTML5. It does not require Adobe Flash, so it should work on iPhones, iPads and other devices that don't support Adobe Flash. Unfortunately, it's not working correctly at the moment. So, if you're experiencing problems with the player in song posts, please bear with me while I try to find out what's wrong. It works fine in my test page, which you can view here:
https://songcrafters.org/community/index.php?action=sp (https://songcrafters.org/forum/index.php?action=sp)
I don't know why it's not behaving the same way in song posts but I'll fix it as soon as I can.
Not all browsers support HTML5 audio properly and, of those that do, some don't support MP3 (Firefox and Opera, for example). In those browsers, it will fall back to the old xspf_jukebox mp3 player which you're all familiar with.
But if you're not using Firefox or Opera, you may have trouble with the player for a little while until I can fix it. It should play the songs okay. It just looks weird.
Tested it on my iPhone. The jukeboxes are blank as they always were but in song posts, the player is working and I like the look of it! Great job 64. I like that better than using puffin.
Yes, the jukeboxes still use Adobe Flash for the time being. It's only the individual song players in the song posts that will use the new HTML5 player. At some point in the future, I will probably use the same techniques on the jukeboxes. But that might be a while. Have to make sure the individual players work right first.
As you've probably noticed, I've fixed the worst of the problems. The player should now look about how it's supposed to and you should be able to play songs, adjust volume, and pause or stop. But I'm still seeing problems with the skip ahead/back buttons ("<" and ">") and the Loop feature doesn't work in some browsers.
??? Not working for me, looks good, press play and nothing, I have to download to play anything.
Any advice.
Quote from: Burtog on September 06, 2012, 01:43:27 AM??? Not working for me, looks good, press play and nothing, I have to download to play anything.
Any advice.
As you said 64 can log in through Firefox and can play using old set up.
Quote from: Burtog on September 06, 2012, 01:43:27 AM??? Not working for me, looks good, press play and nothing, I have to download to play anything.
Any advice.
IE9 Win7Pro - Click on play and the 00:00 time starts but doesn't start playing. If I use the page compatibility feature, it shows the old player and works fine.
Android V2.3.3 - It was showing the new player at first, and now it flickers between the old player and the error message. I'm thinking about rooting my phone and upgrading using the xda forum, but I'm scared - I really should do it though, because my OS is a little old, it might work with an update.
I can still stream either way no problem.
Quote from: launched on September 06, 2012, 02:01:49 AMIE9 Win7Pro - Click on play and the 00:00 time starts but doesn't start playing. If I use the page compatibility feature, it shows the old player and works fine.
If I click on play the same happens but doesn't play, where is the compatibility feature, I'm not computer literate! ;D
Quote from: Burtog on September 06, 2012, 02:08:10 AMQuote from: launched on September 06, 2012, 02:01:49 AMIE9 Win7Pro - Click on play and the 00:00 time starts but doesn't start playing. If I use the page compatibility feature, it shows the old player and works fine.
If I click on play the same happens but doesn't play, where is the compatibility feature, I'm not computer literate! ;D
I've notice that the button does not always show up depending on the setup, but if you have it, it will be located on the right of the address bar in between the magnifying glass and the refresh button. It looks like a sheet of paper with a tear in the middle.
Found it and it works,....cheers!!
New Player works great!
Thanks 64!
The player works great on the iPad individually but not on the player radio but its still 10 times better cheers64
Hi 64G - I can't seem to get anything to play in the new format although it does work on your test example for some strange reason.
Thanks for the feedback. I'm continuing to work on it and hope to solve these problems eventually.
I assume everyone who says it doesn't play is using Internet Explorer 9? I don't currently have that version on any of my computers. I have IE 8 on an old computer and it correctly falls back to the old xspf flash player (IE8 does not support HTML5 audio). Maybe I'll update that browser to IE 9 and see what happens.
I just made a change. Can someone with IE9 tell me if it made any difference?
On IE9 (and Safari 5.1 on Mac), the player is not working for me in the song posts. The player on your test page does work.
I'll check Firefox and Chrome next.
Firefox 15 and Opera 12 reliably fall back to the xspf Flash mp3 player for song posts.
The new HTML 5 audio player is working correctly on Chrome 21 in the song posts.
So it seems right now the problem children are IE9 and Safari 5.1. I'll check Safari 6 momentarily...
Safari 6 works with the new player on song posts.
confirmed, IE9 failed on me as well.
Here's a screenshot of what I see in IE9 and Safari 5.1:
(https://songcrafters.org/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16274.0;attach=16769)
Thanks for the screenshot. Does it look like that as soon as you load the page, or only after you click Play?
Is it any different now (I made a slight change)?
After you click play. I'll take another look.
Same problem in IE9 and Safari... :(
Okay. I'll keep digging. Looks like I'll have to rely on you guys to keep me informed of the status in IE9. I can't update my IE8 to IE9 because IE9 only works in Windows 7 and Vista and I have neither.
I See a lot of folks having this problem why can it not go back to the old format.
at any rate guess i will have to use the old just open file and play..cheers NEIL.!
Quote from: SwanSong on September 06, 2012, 11:59:36 AMwhy can it not go back to the old format.
The old player requires Adobe Flash which presents some problems for a growing number of our members.
- The latest version of Adobe Flash (11.4) has a bug which will prevent our old player from working.
- Many of our members access the site from Apple devices such as iPhone or iPad, which do not support Adobe Flash. So the old player won't work on those devices.
Just be patient until I can fix the IE9 problems. Or install Firefox on your computer. It's easy, free, and works well. And there's no problem having more than one browser installed on your computer (I have seven installed on mine).
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ (http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/)
Firefox will fall back to the old player which still works just fine. Of course, if you've updated to Adobe Flash 11.4, it probably won't work.
Ah yes - I'm having same problems on safari - firefox is fine
Ubuntu 12.04 LTS :
Firefox falls back to old player and works fine.
Chromium loads new player but won't play.
HTC Desire S, Andriod v 2.3.5, with Opera v12.00 and Flash Player 11 (i think), here the new player works fine on "stop", "play" and "pause". The volume doesn't change tho the number does.
IE 8 on XP pro sp3 falls back to old player and works fine
ive just tried it on my iPhone and it worked , that was on Wi -Fi , then i took Wi -Fi off and it stopped playing , strangr
Rob
To ease the transition to the new player while I continue to work on it, I've added the old player below it. So if the new player's not working in your favourite browser, just use the old player for now. But keep trying the new player too. It may start working properly within the next few days as I continue to make code changes.
I know the dual players look bad but this is just a temporary workaround. Once the new player is working properly on all of the major browsers, I'll remove the duplicate old version.
While IE9 does not work, I will remind that compatibility mode works fine for the time being.
Also, if you are running Windows 7 (Maybe Vista too), Windows media player streams from the link under the player if you choose by default to open the file instead of download it. It starts playing immediately instead of buffering the whole file first. I'm sure there are other programs that do it, but I prefer to use stock equipment.
Quote from: 64Guitars on September 06, 2012, 09:55:47 AMI just made a change. Can someone with IE9 tell me if it made any difference?
Not sure if this change was what did it, but IE9 reverts to the old player automatically now without having to change to compatibility mode.
Take your time 64, there's no pressure. The majority of the forum is understanding enough to realize that all good things come to those who wait, and we're waiting on free support..... Best of luck!
IE 9 worked (reverted) for me too.
Thanks 64Gs :)
here
IE9
Quote from: Tony W on September 06, 2012, 02:34:29 PMhere
IE9
For a short period of time, I was getting the one player before the mod for dual players was made.
Since cuthbert's screenshot suggested that IE9 was barfing on the song-length display ("of NaN:NaN"), I've temporarily removed that non-essential feature. How does IE9 work now?
If it's still failing, I could try removing other non-essential features like the progress bar and the "<" and ">" buttons. These are all related to the song-length and current position, which is where I think IE9 is failing.
I just tried it - No dice.
If you think it is just the features hampering the deal, maybe just strip it down to the bone to get initial success. It would be nice to have all that the player can offer, but I could get by with just a play button.
I don`t know if you just shut it down to work on it so if so ignore my stupid comment, but both the players
are playing Small tins of Fruit for me on my computer. They read like this on the timeline. -1:0-1
I guess it`s still that new flash update version 11.4. I`m sure they`ll fix that soon with new update.
Iphone player still works fine though..I`m happy with that!
With some help from cuthbert, I think we've found the reason that IE9 doesn't work in the song posts but works on my test page. It's because IE9 can't handle mp3 files that don't have the extension ".mp3". On my test page, I was using a copy of my "Hand Guns" cover which is stored separately on the server. So it had a URL ending with ".mp3".
https://songcrafters.org/64guitars/Songs/64Guitars/Hand%20Guns/Hand Guns - 20120823-1840.mp3 (https://songcrafters.org/64guitars/Songs/64Guitars/Hand%20Guns/Hand%20Guns%20-%2020120823-1840.mp3)
IE9 had no trouble playing this file with the new HTML5 player. But the URL for the file I attached to my post of that song looks like this:
https://songcrafters.org/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16119.0;attach=16517 (https://songcrafters.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16119.0;attach=16517)
Since there's no ".mp3" extension, IE9 refuses to play it. That's a bug in IE9. The filename shouldn't matter since the HTML5 audio tag already specifies the mime type as "audio/mpeg".
Unfortunately, there's no practical way for me to get around this bug, so I've made IE9 fallback to the old flash player (just as Firefox and Opera do). If the bug is fixed in IE 10, then the new HTML5 player should work.
Meanwhile, iPhone and iPad users can use the new HTML5 player, as can users of Chrome 21 and Safari 6. Users of Safari 5.1 should update to Safari 6.
So I think the new player is working in all five of the major web browsers, as long as you have the latest version. The HTML5 version works in Chrome and Safari, while Firefox, Opera, and Internet Explorer fall back to the old flash version.
I realize that the old flash version won't work if you've updated to Adobe Flash 11.4 but that's beyond my control. If you haven't yet updated your Adobe Flash, don't. If you've already updated to 11.4 and the player no longer works for you, see this page:
http://forums.adobe.com/message/4487439 (http://forums.adobe.com/message/4487439)
... or just wait till Adobe releases a fix (I have no idea when that will happen).
Long promised, but I just need to put my notes together on a tutorial to downgrade your Flash player. Stay tuned folks (hope to get it posted by tomorrow).
and here was me thinking i had double vision and needed to cut back oan thi beers.
ya dancer pour me anither faither.
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I've added a button to the new HTML5 player which will allow you to switch back to the old flash player. So there's no longer any need for the duplicate player and I've removed it. If your browser supports HTML5 audio with MP3 files, the new HTML5 player will be displayed. If it doesn't work for you or you prefer the old player, click the "old player" button. There's no button on the old player to return to the new HTML5 player. Instead, just reload/refresh the page and the new HTML5 player will again be displayed.
(https://songcrafters.org/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16274.0;attach=16797)
The old player doesn't work with the latest version of Adobe Flash Player (11.4) which has a bug. If you're not sure which version of Adobe Flash Player you have, go to the following page:
http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ (http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/)
(https://songcrafters.org/images/Screenshots/Adobe%20Flash%20Player%20version.png)
Flash player downgrade tutorial posted here:
https://songcrafters.org/community/index.php?topic=16311.msg204193#msg204193
New player doesn't work for me in Safari and I don't particularly like the way it looks. Why did it require changing?
Can't even click on old player button.
Quote from: Gritter on September 10, 2012, 02:30:54 AMNew player doesn't work for me in Safari and I don't particularly like the way it looks. Why did it require changing?
recent upgrade of flashplayer has a bug that effects the song player an explanation of the reasons for the change are here https://songcrafters.org/community/index.php?topic=16274.0;msg=203857
and have a read at this too it should help get player working again
https://songcrafters.org/community/index.php?topic=16274.0;msg=204200
Quote from: Gritter on September 10, 2012, 02:32:27 AMCan't even click on old player button.
Hey Sandy...which version of Safari are you using, and what's the operating system?
Quote from: cuthbert on September 10, 2012, 09:54:39 AMQuote from: Gritter on September 10, 2012, 02:32:27 AMCan't even click on old player button.
Hey Sandy...which version of Safari are you using, and what's the operating system?
Safari 5.0.6
Mac OS X 10.5.8
Flash 10.1.102.64
I've been using Firefox. I always preferred Netscape anyway :-)
netscape? man that's a blast from the past, the young ins will think it's an instant coffee or summit .
Quote from: oldrottenhead on September 10, 2012, 12:43:03 PMnetscape? man that's a blast from the past, the young ins will think it's an instant coffee or summit .
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Gritter on September 10, 2012, 02:30:54 AMWhy did it require changing?
Because flash players are becoming a problem due to the excessive and unnecessary updates. Well, for me it's always been a problem, but it is now affecting squeakier and more influential wheels. I'll be glad when the changes are solid and complete.
Quote from: Gritter on September 10, 2012, 02:32:27 AMCan't even click on old player button.
The "old player" button should now work in Safari 5. Give it another try.
It's working for me now on Safari 5.1 - thanks 64G!
woohoo! works for me now. thanks 64-G.
I clicked "Old Player," and now I want to switch back to the new player. Do I have to delete a cookie or something? Or is there an easier way?
If you refresh the page, it should load in the new player by default.
old player works fine, but the new one rarely ever works for me. prevented me from listening to a handful of songs today already, and has done so in the past. even refreshing or clicking it to the old player doesn't help once the new player shows up.
Quote from: phantasm777 on June 24, 2013, 03:35:51 PMold player works fine, but the new one rarely ever works for me. prevented me from listening to a handful of songs today already, and has done so in the past. even refreshing or clicking it to the old player doesn't help once the new player shows up.
Which web browser and version?
Which operating system and version?
ie 10, win 8
Yesterday and today the new player hasn't been working for me either. It worked (sometimes sporadically) last week. But right now if I hit play the best I can do is get my cursor to highlight the play button.
PC > Windows 7 > firefox 21.0
edit:
But the old player still works fine and I'm not worried about it much. Just thought you might want to know.
The current version of Firefox is 22.0.
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/ (http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/)
It supports MP3 playback via the operating system in Vista, Windows 7, and Windows 8. Note that the MP3 support is coming from the operating system, not Firefox itself. Firefox merely passes the MP3 file to the operating system. In Windows, the MP3 is played via its Media Foundation Framework. To make sure this feature is enabled in Firefox, type "about:config" into the address bar and search for "media.windows-media-foundation.enabled". Make sure it's set to "true". That should be the default in Firefox 21 and 22 but something could have changed it.
MP3 support for Linux is expected in Firefox 24 which is scheduled for release on September 17, 2013. When that happens, it will be easier for me to work on the players.
A problem we noticed with Internet Explorer 9 is that it only works when the file has the extension ".mp3". But files attached to messages don't have an extension and IE won't play them. I'm guessing that the same problem also exists in IE 10. That's a bug in IE in my opinion. Only Windows relies on file extensions to determine a file's type. Linux and other unix-based operating systems have no such requirement, so filenames don't require extensions. On the web, HTML5 sends the mime type which tells the browser that the file is an MP3. That's all it should need. The file extension shouldn't matter.
It's possible that Firefox has the same file extension problem as IE. I can't check it out because I don't have any of the supported operating systems (Vista, Win 7/8). I did try our HTML5 player in the Epiphany web browser just now and it works just fine. Epiphany uses the WebKit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKitGTK%2B) layout engine which is also used by Google Chrome and Apple Safari, so I assume our HTML5 player will work in those browsers too.
The firefox update failed. Apparently my system doesn't meet the requirement of firefox as I've gotten the message twice. Oh, and I found this little blurb which might explain it.
"Please note that while the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Windows Vista and Windows 7 can be used to run Firefox 22, only 32-bit builds of Firefox 22 are supported at this time."
Does this help?
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/update-failed-error-message-when-updating (https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/update-failed-error-message-when-updating)
Yes, it did. Although I just spent some time starting to set up Chrome. I ran firefox as an administrator and it automatically updated to 22.0
But the player still doesn't work. The volume buttons work, but clicking on play does nothing.
Quote from: T.C. Elliott on June 29, 2013, 10:55:19 AMBut the player still doesn't work. The volume buttons work, but clicking on play does nothing.
What does the top player on the following page do?
https://songcrafters.org/community/index.php?action=sp (https://songcrafters.org/forum/index.php?action=sp)
T.C., are you running the 64 bit version of Windows?
If so, you would be better served by downloading Waterfox and removing Firefox altogether.
Waterfox is the 64 bit version of Firefox. Plays nicely with 64 bit OS's.
It's the only browser I use now and, like Firefox, it is easy to customize to your liking.
I can provide tips on how to make Firefox and Waterfox run a good bit quicker than they do when using the default settings.
64G, this little gem just popped up within the last 48 hours.
I'm used to using an iPod Touch when not at the computer. I've had no problems with anything on Songcrafters. Till now.
I noticed that numerous avatars no longer appear properly. Not everybody's, but still a considerable number. Here is a screen shot of what some avatars look like on the iphone devices now.
(https://songcrafters.org/community/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16274.0;attach=20209)
yup, 64bit. I just googled... actually I just duckduckgoed... okay, I just ducked?
Erm, I just searched for waterfox and it looks promising. I might have a go.
Quote from: Speed Demon on June 29, 2013, 04:43:57 PM64G, this little gem just popped up within the last 48 hours.
I'm used to using an iPod Touch when not at the computer. I've had no problems with anything on Songcrafters. Till now.
I noticed that numerous avatars no longer appear properly. Not everybody's, but still a considerable number. Here is a screen shot of what some avatars look like on the iphone devices now.
It seems to be a Safari quirk. Kenny Mac had a similar problem last month on his iPad. I think he fixed it by updating the OS to the latest version. But before you do that, try clearing the cache. I suspect that Safari's pulling rubbish out of the cache instead of the correct images. When you clear the cache, it will be forced to download the actual images again, so they should display correctly (at least till the next time this cache bug pops up again). You could try updating Safari to the latest version too. Maybe it's fixed in the latest version. If all else fails, try updating the OS if it's not up-to-date already.
Sounds like a very good idea. I had a similar problem on the computer a while back.
Clearing the cache fixed it.
Thanks.