>:(Apologies rendered first off. Since my last post where I recorded, bounced and mastered my first song on my BR-600, I really did not like the quality of my "musician-ship" so I practiced a little more and now I'm ready to record it again. I deleted the first song and started from scratch. I gave the new song a name, I programmed the rhythm patterns, I stepped the rhythm arrangement, just like the last time. Now when I play it back I get the first measure of step 1 playing continuously. HELP! I deleted and started again 3 times with the same result. Someome please enlighten me as to my mistake, I have lots of stuff I want (need) to record, THANKS!!!!
Wes
Badrail
Can you accidentially have set it on A-B repeat?
Quote from: badrail on September 11, 2011, 01:15:45 PMNow when I play it back I get the first measure of step 1 playing continuously.
Are you saying the whole song repeats just one measure? If so, then check AB Repeat as Geir suggested.
Or are you saying that just the drum machine repeats one measure while the recorded tracks play in their entirety?
If just the drum machine is repeating, which mode is the drum machine in? Pattern Mode or Arrangement Mode? If it's in Pattern Mode (PATTERN/TOM3 button is lit), it will just play the currently-selected pattern continuously until you press stop. To play an arrangement, it has to be in Arrangement Mode (ARRANGE/TOM2 button lit).
If you're sure it's in Arrangement Mode and step 1 is repeating continuously, then check the Starting Measure of step 2. Perhaps you accidentally set it to some very high number.
If you still can't see the error, how about posting your arrangement here. To do that, start BR Explorer (https://songcrafters.org/64guitars/BR/BRX/index.html) and select the song in the Song List section. Then click the Arrangements tab in the Song Details section. Your arrangement will be shown in a grid. Right-click on this grid and select "Copy Arrangement to Clipboard". Now click on Reply in this topic and paste the arrangement into the message.
Okay, I cleared the arrangement, re-installed the arrangement with the patterns I need at certain measures (song has 9 steps and 109 measures total, 6 different patterns) , including different steps, and it's doing the same thing. I thought I'd let it play to see if my intro step 1 pattern continues and it does, but it changes at measure 33 which is the end of step 2, and the pattern I have at measure 33 plays continuously. I also checked the last meaasure of each step and it plays the pattern listed at the last measure of each step. I started step 2 at measure 2 so it should come up right after step 1/measure 1, it's not doing that. I thought I programmed the arrangement the same way I did with the first time which actually worked last week, but I don't know what I'm doing differently this time.... Any other possibilities??? Thanks again!
Wes
Badrail
Can you post the arrangement? See my last message for instructions. It will be a lot easier to figure out what's wrong if we can see all the steps of your arrangement and the parameters of each step.
One problem: I don't have a USB Cable to get it to my computer... I just tried it again and it's doing the same thing.. I'm going to delete the song and start from scratch again, I'll keep you posted, thanks again!
Quote from: badrail on September 11, 2011, 04:23:46 PMOne problem: I don't have a USB Cable to get it to my computer.
Do you have a memory card reader? If you do, take the CompactFlash card from your BR-600 and put it in the card reader. Then start BR Explorer. It will read the arrangement from the card reader just the same as if it were reading it directly from the BR-600 via USB. Then you can post the arrangement here and we'll figure out what's wrong.
64Guitar, are you in the Houston Texas area???? This is really getting frustrating... I did everything the same way again. When I go to look at the arrangement, I am seeing the start measure of the song in step 1. When I go to step 2, the measure listed is not 2 but 33, the end of that step, then step 3 it reads 49, the last in that step, and so on... Page 154-155 is the Creating Original Arrangement (I have no problems with creating patterns, that's working okay) I'm programming each measure of each step as instructed and exiting when finished to save the complete arrangement, but going back to see what I programmed, the first measure that comes up for steps 2 and later is the last measure of the step, it is not saving the measures from the start of the step to the end of the step. And it plays the first measure until the last measure of step 2. MERCY>>>
Quote from: badrail on September 11, 2011, 07:52:11 PM64Guitar, are you in the Houston Texas area????
Nope.
QuoteWhen I go to look at the arrangement, I am seeing the start measure of the song in step 1. When I go to step 2, the measure listed is not 2 but 33, the end of that step, then step 3 it reads 49, the last in that step, and so on... Page 154-155 is the Creating Original Arrangement (I have no problems with creating patterns, that's working okay) I'm programming each measure of each step as instructed and exiting when finished to save the complete arrangement, but going back to see what I programmed, the first measure that comes up for steps 2 and later is the last measure of the step, it is not saving the measures from the start of the step to the end of the step. And it plays the first measure until the last measure of step 2. MERCY>>>
Step #1 always starts at measure 1. You can't change it. The starting measures of the remaining steps depends on how long (# of measures) you want each of the previous steps to play for. The starting measure is the sum of the lengths of all of the previous steps plus 1. Fror example, if you want step 1 to play for 8 measures, then you must set the starting measure of step 2 to 9. In other words, step 1 wil play for measures 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8, and step 2 will start playing at measure 9.
You said that step 2's starting measure is 33. That means that the pattern in step 1 will play for 32 measures. If step 3 starts at measure 49, then step 2 has a length of 16 measures (48 - 32). So the first 3 steps of the arrangement look like this:
Step | Starting
Measure |
Length |
| 1 | 1 | 32 |
| 2 | 33 | 16 |
| 3 | 49 | ? |
Is this not what you intended?
Okay:
Step 1 is 1 measure long, basically a 4 beat drum lead-in.
Step 2 starts at measure 2 with instrumentation, it goes until measure 33.
Step 3 starts at measure 34 and I can't remember where it goes to, I'm at work now...
But that's exactly how I progammed the arramgement, but it's not saving it that way or playing it back. Is there some setting under UTILITY and SYS that I am overlooking? (Thanks for your patients in dealing with my lack there-of...)
Are your audio tracks playing back correctly? Or is it just the drum arrangement that's not playing as you intended? If the audio tracks are also missing measures, then the song's event table could be corrupted, possibly due to a defective memory card. But if the audio tracks play correctly and the problem is only with the arrangement, then the event table and memory card are not the cause. It would have to be either something you're doing wrong or a malfunction in your BR-600 affecting only the drum machine.
There's nothing in the system settings that would account for the problem you're experiencing.
Can you post the arrangement file (ARRANGE2.BR0) here?
I did not have much time at work to think about what may be wrong, but I'll try again. This worked last week, same song, same patterns and arrangement. I deleted the complete song, the only one that showed was the demo song. The following is how I am recording the song.
1. Start new song, give song a name.
2. Create SONG rhythm patterns, giving them each a name to correspond to a pattern #.
3. Create SONG rhythm arrangement, step 1 measure 1 pattern 1 (intro), step 2 measure 2-33 (various patterns), step 3 measure 34-(can't remember after this) When completed the instructions say to press EXIT a few times to get back to record screen and wait till the arrangement is SAVEd.
4. Use the rhythm arrangement playback to record (in order) Bass, Rhythm Acoustic guitar, Lead acoustic guitar in transitional areas, add voice. Bounce and Master.
After an earlier explanation from you on bouncing and mastering, the first completed song worked all the way through (thanks btw) I'll give it another go and see what I may be doing wrong. Do you have to press ENTER any where while creating a rhythm arrangement? It does not say so in the manual.
Quote from: badrail on September 12, 2011, 05:38:13 PM2. Create SONG rhythm patterns, giving them each a name to correspond to a pattern #.
I wonder if your custom patterns have something to do with it. As an experiment, try using only preset patterns in your arrangement. If that works, then substitute one of your custom patterns in one of the steps and see if it still works. If it works with preset patterns but then fails with your custom pattern, then you'll know that the problem is with your patterns rather than with the arrangement.
Quote3. Create SONG rhythm arrangement, step 1 measure 1 pattern 1 (intro), step 2 measure 2-33 (various patterns)
Each step in an arrangement has only one pattern. So how can step 2 have "various patterns"?
So every time I change to a different rhythm pattern in a preceding measure I have to create a new step?
In this song of 109 measures, I change rhythm patterns 45 times (some for only 1 measure) so each time I change a rhythm pattern for a new measure I have to create a new step?
Okay I just answered my own question, I changed steps every time I had a pattern change and it worked. Wow, 45 steps, let's renumber it and try it again.... I'll let you know if this works.
Okay, I have the arrangement done by the numbers (literally...) and it works, it plays back just how it's supposed to be to make the song work. I really was not trying to over-engineer the song, just to make some of the patterns flow with the meter of the song (composition stuff, I guess...) Thanks again!
Quote from: badrail on September 12, 2011, 06:52:49 PMSo every time I change to a different rhythm pattern in a preceding measure I have to create a new step?
Quote from: badrail on September 12, 2011, 07:07:33 PMIn this song of 109 measures, I change rhythm patterns 45 times (some for only 1 measure) so each time I change a rhythm pattern for a new measure I have to create a new step?
Yes, each step can have only one pattern, so every time you want to switch to a different pattern, you need to create a new step. If you want a lot of fills, you can soon run out of steps (the maximum number of steps you can have in an arrangement is 50). But you can solve that problem with custom patterns.
Each pattern can be from 1 measure to 999 measures long (provided the total number of measures in the arrangement is not greater than 999 for all steps). Let's say you create custom pattern S001 that's just 1 measure long. In the verse of the song, you want to repeat this pattern 4 times. However, on the fourth measure, you want to include a crash cymbal on the 4th beat of the measure. So you copy S001 to S002 and edit it to add the cymbal. The verse part of your arrangement might look like this:
Step |
Pattern | Starting
Measure |
Length |
| 3 | S001 | 4 | 3 |
| 4 | S002 | 7 | 1 |
The basic verse pattern (S001) plays for 3 measures starting at verse 4, then the modified version with the crash cymbal (S002) plays for 1 measure starting at verse 7.
This works just fine, but there's a way to do the same thing in just 1 step instead of 2. Edit S001 and change the pattern length to 4 measures. Then input the same notes from measure 1 into the other 3 measures so you have 4 identical measures in the pattern. Now edit the last measure to add the crash cymbal. The verse part of your arrangement now becomes:
Step |
Pattern | Starting
Measure |
Length |
| 3 | S001 | 4 | 4 |
Note that "length" isn't the number of times to repeat the pattern. It's the number of measures that you want the pattern to play for. The number of repeats depends on the length of the pattern. Since this new pattern is 4 measures long and we tell the arrangement to play it for 4 measures, there are no repeats. It just plays once.
If your song has 3 verses with a chorus or fill in between, you'd have needed a total of 6 steps if a separate pattern was used for the crash cymbal. But by combining everything into a single pattern that's 4 measures long, you only need 3 steps for all of the verses.
In fact, you could take this to the extreme and just create one custom pattern that's the length of your entire song. Then your arrangement would only need two steps -- one for the custom pattern and one for preset P327:BREAK to end the song at the desired measure. Unfortunately, creating such a long custom pattern is tedious work since there's no way to copy measures within a pattern. Every note must be entered separately for the entire pattern. By using shorter patterns and repeating them in the arrangement, you don't have to spend so much time creating the patterns, making the job less tedious. The trick is to find the right balance between pattern length and arrangement complexity.
Unfortunately, creating such a long custom pattern is tedious work since there's no way to copy measures within a pattern. Every note must be entered separately for the entire pattern. By using shorter patterns and repeating them in the arrangement, you don't have to spend so much time creating the patterns, making the job less tedious. The trick is to find the right balance between pattern length and arrangement complexity.
I was starting to think the time required in arranging drum patterns was down to my incompetance, I recently spent 2 evenings arranging the drum track to my last post, it's a real drag that you can't copy measures, nice to see it wasn't me and just a slow process. I actually make all the drums tracks up on the rhthym editor.