Are drum beats intellectual property?
I'm not sure 'drum' and 'intellectual' are words that belong in the same sentence, lol.
I can't see how they can be, unless there is something ultra-distinctive about them. It would be hard for most drummers to pick out their beats in an identity parade. Interesting question - I have to say I don't really know!
Quote from: Greeny on January 05, 2011, 02:50:29 PMI'm not sure 'drum' and 'intellectual' are words that belong in the same sentence, lol.
I'll show this post to my brother when he comes over for the weekend ;D ;D ;D
well phil collins got half the copyright from peter gabriel for the song intruder. he was messing about. pg recorded him. then later wrote a song round the drumtrack. when pc heard it he demanded a writing credit.
Quote from: oldrottenhead on January 06, 2011, 07:29:30 AMwell phil collins got half the copyright from peter gabriel for the song intruder. he was messing about. pg recorded him. then later wrote a song round the drumtrack. when pc heard it he demanded a writing credit.
Collins is a w*nker though
Mad subject really....
If a drumbeat is 'intellectual property', then surely so is a guitar chord, or sequence of. And yet literally thousands and thousands of songs contain the same patterns, beats, basslines etc. These are the 'building blocks' of songs. It's how it all comes together at the end that distinguishes one song from another. 'Save Tonight', by Eagle Eye Cherry and 'If God Was One Of Us' by that bird who I once used a toilet cubicle after, are essentially the same song. I remember a few years ago Public Enemy and NWA going through the same argument over who 'owns' a beat. Who 'owns' the G-C-D sequence?
henwrench
ps That cubicle absolutely reeked of poo and wee. Dirty girl....
Quote from: henwrench on January 06, 2011, 07:54:16 AMps That cubicle absolutely reeked of poo and wee. Dirty girl....
Maybe it smelled before she got there.
Quote from: henwrench on January 06, 2011, 07:54:16 AM'Save Tonight', by Eagle Eye Cherry and 'If God Was One Of Us' by that bird who I once used a toilet cubicle after, are essentially the same song.
henwrench
ps That cubicle absolutely reeked of poo and wee. Dirty girl....
Why were you using the women's lavatory?
Quote from: Gritter on January 06, 2011, 09:25:25 AM
Why were you using the women's lavatory?
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Unisex plastic shit houses, backstage somewhere. And I can catergorically state she was the first person to use it. :D :D
henwrench
ps I still can't remember her name, but I know she was blonde
Joan Osborne. The Dirty Birdy Birdy :D
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Quote from: henwrench on January 06, 2011, 07:54:16 AMMad subject really....
If a drumbeat is 'intellectual property', then surely so is a guitar chord, or sequence of. And yet literally thousands and thousands of songs contain the same patterns, beats, basslines etc. These are the 'building blocks' of songs. It's how it all comes together at the end that distinguishes one song from another. 'Save Tonight', by Eagle Eye Cherry and 'If God Was One Of Us' by that bird who I once used a toilet cubicle after, are essentially the same song. I remember a few years ago Public Enemy and NWA going through the same argument over who 'owns' a beat. Who 'owns' the G-C-D sequence?
I`m not liking his thread now. Henwrench said it best!
We already know Drummer+Ego = Asshole
This will turn into:
Drummer+Ego+Music credit+Money = Communist Asshole trying to take over the world :D
Drum beats when they are packaged as individual items have IP, as in loops or drum tracks. They have no IP as part of a song, only the work in its entirety has IP. It is up to the composers to decide who gets the writing credit, ie would a drummer get part of the writing royalty for a song. Ringo didn't on most Beatles tracks for example. Also, if the drum beats were the main element of a song, then if these were copied the original artist might argue you were copying their work. For example, Men At Work lost a copyright case because the melody of one of their songs was very similar to the melody of an older Australian folk song even though the songs sounded very different.
Cheers,
Nigel
Quote from: henwrench on January 06, 2011, 07:54:16 AMMad subject really....
If a drumbeat is 'intellectual property', then surely so is a guitar chord, or sequence of. And yet literally thousands and thousands of songs contain the same patterns, beats, basslines etc. These are the 'building blocks' of songs. It's how it all comes together at the end that distinguishes one song from another. 'Save Tonight', by Eagle Eye Cherry and 'If God Was One Of Us' by that bird who I once used a toilet cubicle after, are essentially the same song. I remember a few years ago Public Enemy and NWA going through the same argument over who 'owns' a beat. Who 'owns' the G-C-D sequence?
I thought that...
Especially after this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpB_40hYjXU
But then again....
I met the Guy that sequenced this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krps2ok4smcTune is unique... all beats.... Drum n Bass / Junglist....
it was the first to sound like this (to my knowledge...)
I'd say this is intellectual property...
It's quite an interesting question. But even the most famous drumbeat in the (western) world can hardly be considered as IP:
(http://www.drumnuts.com/wep/member-images/20/image/WeWillRockYouBeat(2).jpg)
But it spawns another question for me: how many succesive notes from a melody can you borrow before it's stealing? Let's say I'd use the 5 notes in the Nokia startup tune in the middle of a melody I made, would I be sued? What if I change the rhythm? If I reverse it ? ???
The concept of IP seems to put a tax on hard earned knowledge and skill.
It also limits creativity! What if someone else could have done a better job with the melody. If it happens, the recording will be underground if not commissioned..
Sad really.....
But with all this said, someone has to protect the interests of people who make a living out of genuine talent..
Tough line to draw...
A line necessitated by money.
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