Songcrafters.org

EDITED:

After reading all of the posts here, some really unfair that made me feel sad, I realized that it is an envious decision to kill this website. I really didn't understand the level of connection to this community. Therefore, I will do the following:

I will pass the community, all the website content forum, portal, MP3's, everything, around 15GB of data, to a group organized by you. I believe there should be some organization in this group. This group should have a leader.  I will give the leader, FTP access to the folder that contains all the data. He will then have to download all the forum's content to his PC. Something that should take around 12 hours or more.

The domain songcrafters.org is registered with Name.com, the group will have to create an account there (free) and I will transfer the domain to that account.

After the data is downloaded and the domain is transfered, the group will have the full responsibility to do the rest, such has buy, manage, upload the data and configure the hosting account and domain configuration. My only conditions are:

• The future group of owners should honour the original community and don't turn it into for profit organization.
• The leader of the group is 64Guitars.

You are free to make changes in the original design and script if you which, as long as it respects the first condition.

Final thoughts, everything is alright with me, maybe I was a bit too quick when thinking this over.

I don't want to put pressure on 64Guitars with my condition of him being the leader, the reason for choosing him is based on trust, respect and ease of the whole transfering problem (he already has access to the server). Obviously, the group will have to share the financial and maintenance burden.

Let me know what you think.

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thanks for all the great time and fun ive had here pedro, i cant begin to describe how sad this makes me feel. i hope you reconsider.

hi pedro i am so sad at your decision, i just want to thank you for giving us this forum and the opportunity to do so much over the time we have spent here.

coming here takes up a lot of my time, probably too much time to be healthy. dont know how im gonna fill that gap when it comes.

thank you so much.

I wasn't exactly prepared for this kind of volume Pedro, A heads up would have been nice!

I too am extremely sad to see this place go, especially after all the hard work you put in here lately. I'm very sorry to hear that you'll no longer be hosting such a fantastic community.


Pedro, would you consider hosting the site for one more month so I can prepare for the influx of users?

It's a sad thing, Pedro. I had lots of fun while I was here. Probably wouldn't have focused my attention to music if it were not for this site, so thanks for that.

Mark

P.S. - I wish you would reconsider your decision to close the site, however...  :'(

I now consider myself a musician and singer/songwriter (as opposed to a guitar noodler) because of this site, thanks for giving me that, I will have that for the rest of my life now.  Thank you Pedro.

Bugger.

I've learned so much, and got so many new friends the year I've been here and am absolutely crushed by this !!!

I hope you reconsider ... or at least give someone else the oppertunity to continue what you've built here !!!

I want to thank you for what you've done here and wish you all the best !!!

I think it is very inconsiderate and rude that you have not contacted Tony before posting a link to his site.  It has been kept under wraps for some time to avoid a lot of rift raft that you have invited upon this place!!  I am truly sorry to see this place close as it was my beginning to a whole new world of music and friends.  And upon that I have nothing more to say.!!
PJ

I am an addict to this place...
See you all over at the new one.

LG

It's a very Sad Day
Particularly after you made all the changes and revamps

ahhhhhhhhhh jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
that is bad news -
and just as I became more or less a permanet fixture here--
I learned so much about recording here -and still have lots to learn

regards and respect Pedro for what you have achieved here
thank you
tommy

QuoteI simply don't have the time, money or motivation to continue this website.

if money is an issue maybe there can be a way round that. a number of forums i have used in the past have to meet the cost of providing their server and they do that by having a paypal contribution button and with regular updates as to how much is needed to meet their costs. and every month they get by.

No,,,,, please reconsider Pedro..... this is shockingly bad news.............  ???  :-[  :'(  >:(

I understand that you don't have the time to keep this site going, that I can really understand.   And we all thank you for your time and effort in building a fantastic community!!!  

BUT, what I don't understand is why you don't have any "intention of releasing the website to anyone for continuation"....?  

That I don't understand and think should be re-thought out carefully and reconsidered.  You can't just build a fantastic community and then just burn it down....can you?

I'm sorry.....I guess this is upsetting news and had to say it...
Sincerely,
Tommy Satchwood..

PS.  You really should have given TonyW more advanced notice - I'm not sure if his site was geared for this volume of posting...?

Pedro, I will truly miss this site - it changed my life. So my deep sadness is mixed with an even deeper gratitude.

If contributions will help keep this going, I will gratefully chip in. I hope you will reconsider. 

A real sad news... I have learned so many things here, met many new friends and spent very nice time. Anyway, thanks to everybody here; members and forum stuff. Everybody has made valuable job, here!

- Kari

I am gobsmacked!!! it has given me something to work for and i am really upset that its closing down ,, i have actually finished pieces of music that i have had in bits and bobs all over the place and the feedback from other members has been a thrill for me and my family ,, i have heard some incredible musos and even better songs !! it was an outlet to my creativity ,, were do we all go from here !!

But thank you Pedro whoever you are for the chance to listen to , post , and talk to other musicians around the world !!

Paul

Wow, this is a bummer! I know this must be alot of time on your hands but to kill it within a week??? I was ready to launch a couple of my tunes and there is a bunch of people on here that i really enjoyed hearing their tunes and reading their comments. I hope we can all keep in touch. This site was addicting to me and helped me learn about my Mbr.
I boasted to all my friends how it blows away any social network that is out there. This sucks.  :'(

Quote from: Gnasty on February 23, 2010, 08:47:14 AMI boasted to all my friends how it blows away any social network that is out there. This sucks.  :'(

I guess that is the biggest bummer of all, this site became a very cool social networking site, totally dedicated to music.  It had something special, everybody felt that.  We all have been at other similiar sites, but this one was the best for the interaction, look, feel, collaboration.  I have yet to find another site that had such great interaction amongst its members.  We really did become a group of friends hanging out on this great site, makin music, listening to music, and talking about music.  It is a shame to let this die, but alas, "all things must pass"...


We are all going to need addiction recovery services to get over this shock...

I really don't understand Pedro....something serious must have happened? 

He makes a pretty big deal about wanting to change the forum, build it even bigger, and then, not even 2 months later says he shutting it down in a week...............i think that's really sad man.......

I'm bummed out BIG time..........................

this SUX

This sums it up


found here:

All That Is Left (https://songcrafters.org/forum/index.php?topic=4830.0)

This song means a hell-uv-a lot more to me now......... 

This site closing feels like an impending death or something.........freaking sad folks.....

when we are gone
what will remain
to show we where here
will we be recalled
or forgotten and lost .......................Jim Higgins

Quote from: Flash Harry on February 23, 2010, 07:46:53 AMBugger.

Well put. 

Having said that, I can't tell you how much I appreciate you and all you've done, Pedro.  Best of luck in all future endeavors.

Blooby

Admin - Obviously this is sad news indeed. It's to be hoped that there are PMs going back and forth between parties trying to salvage something from the situation. As others have said, and to which I fully concur, this has been a very special place indeed, with an atmosphere than I for one haven't found replicated anywhere else on the music Internet.

A thought: Is it possible to send an email to All members? Some may be away and will be unaware of the impending closure. For instance I haven't seen much of Diego or Pinedog lately.

Please Consider Handing the Batton on to Someone else....

There are a Lot of people that put thier heart and Soul into this site.


It would lack compassion to Kill it, if there are people willing to take it over...

Quote from: OsCKilO on February 23, 2010, 09:57:09 AMPlease Consider Handing the Batton on to Someone else....

There are a Lot of people that put thier heart and Soul into this site.

It would lack compassion to Kill it, if there are people willing to take it over...

I concur 100% - well said T!!! 

The thought of "EVERYTHING" being deleted in a week does sound uncompassionate considering how much heart & soul, life & passion, and experiential emotion we put into our music and sharing on this site.

Please reconsider handing the site over to another...

QuoteI have no intention of releasing the website to anyone for continuation, I feel this website in a very personal way and have lost countless hours working on it.

We've all spent more than our fair share of time on this site. If you would reconsider this, then I'd be willing to take over the site. You're not just packing up your efforts, you're killing the efforts of a lot of faithful members.

Quotewhen we are gone
what will remain
to show we where here
will we be recalled
or forgotten and lost .......................Jim Higgins

when i wrote this i was thinking that after im gone at least there will be my words and music but i never thought of this now like a lot of songs it holds an unexpected meaning

here is another song i find apt its called familiar noise (got good news today it might get airplay on the radio but that news was negated by the news here) the music was written by dave sickler in response to the demise of the band he was in also called familiar noise. so i wrote a lyric informed by this info. dave posted it online at our dead divans jam soundclick page two days later the song took on a whole new meaning and poignancy when daves father passed away.
the refrain goes "you wont be hearing that old familiar noise" nuff said. here it is.

[soundclick]8261644[/soundclick]

QuoteI have no intention of releasing the website to anyone for continuation, I feel this website in a very personal way and have lost countless hours working on it.

What an utterly selfish thing to do... This is just as much OUR site as it is yours. Not allowing someone else to take over, is basically a big "fuck you" to every one here.

Letting emotion speak before thinking... Sorry Pedro...

This is a Community......

It doesn't belong to just one person....


Everyone here has made this place what it is....

We have always been appreciative  of your efforts Pedro....


There is a social duty to be considered regarding this site.
If you close it, without giving a chance to another person to let it continue, you will have Hurt a Lot of people.




Or...


Let More of us Help you Carry the Burden....
You Are not Alone Friend...


If ou Need Help, there are Many people here that will assist....

Just let us Know...

Good thing we don't know where you live Pedro, you'd have a gang of storming musicians playing LIVE on your doorstep.


If all you wanted was a live concert at your place, you could have just asked...............

Damn  :'(

This bums me out too. But I think I understand.

I find it hard enough just listening and commenting on people's stuff. I can't imagine having to make sure it all functions properly. And to do it voluntarily!! - Pedro, you (and 64 G) have my respect!

Pedro, I don't know you personally, but you've certainly helped make...

• a lot of music store owners happy
• a lot of wives and girlfriends jealous
• a lot of neighbours angry

... but most of all, your site has helped make a lot of musicians more confident in their art, and that is something that only they can shut down.

Thanks for everything!

Hope the site somehow keeps going. Too many good people here.

Unbelievable...I don't get it.
Sadness.

This site is so great...thanks Pedro and 64G, it has helped me get a lot of my shit together and become a more confident musician. But it's not just what it's done for me as a musician and songwriter but as a fan of music and as a member of a community...we've all made friends here. We all love to get comments on our music but moreover, I've always felt that I and the entire community love to hear new music and to comment and support each other. Last night I was thinking to myself that not only is there amazing music here but there are also some really great music reviewers that put a lot of thought into what is written in their comments. The diverse music tastes and knowledge is irreplaceable.

Please reconsider.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SUU2Wysujw

Sorry to see this site go!!
Its the End of an ERA!

JIM from Jersey

This news has absolutely shattered me. I feel as though I've made many good friends here. Not everyone sees eye to eye all the time, but out of it has only come good things. So now we are to be scattered to all four corners of the globe. I'm gutted. I'm horrified. I'm lost. Before I stumbled across this site I had very little confidence in what I was doing and absolutely no outlet for my 'songs'. The wonderful people here built me up and drove me on to write more. And I did. Hell, I even did a couple of cover versions for the Unplugged Fest  :o. But all for nothing, like it was some kind of cruel joke. I'm angry, almost. I've nearly finished a new song, but whats the fucking point in finishing it now? I've no one to share it with, no reason to 'give'. I'm actually on the verge of tears as I type this. Thanks a fucking lot.

                                                 henwrench

This is the most bewildering decision.

I could understand selling out and trying to make money off the site.
I could understand burning out and putting it up for adoption.
I could understand auctioning off the site and all it's assets to the highest bidder.

I do understand why it would seem (to Saijinn and others) like "a big 'fuck you' to everyone here."  I don't want to go that far, but, Pedro, your explanation is utterly unsatisfying.

If you were pissed off a some or all of us and wanted to retaliate, well that explanation would make sense--albeit petulant, selfish, and immature. I respect you too much to believe it.

The best explanation I can grasp for is that you have pride of ownership, and couldn't bear to see the site in the hands of someone else. If that's the case, turn over operations--including the cost--to someone else, and you can stay on as the titular owner, and arbiter.

The second best explanation is that you were drunk when you posted this topic, and you'll give us all an apology after you sleep it off.

Quote from: Tony W on February 23, 2010, 10:19:50 AM

QuoteI have no intention of releasing the website to anyone for continuation, I feel this website in a very personal way and have lost countless hours working on it.

We've all spent more than our fair share of time on this site. If you would reconsider this, then I'd be willing to take over the site. You're not just packing up your efforts, you're killing the efforts of a lot of faithful members.

PASS THE TORCH please.

I can't really add any more than has already been said on the subject

GUTTED!!!!

I would be happy to pay an monthly or annual subscription if it helps to keep the site alive?

This site was the making of Tangled Wires, and without the help and support of everyone on here we would not be making the music we are today.

Going to really miss everyone on here if the inevitable does happen.

Andrew

If you all think back!! Everytime Pedro has posted something and asked for opinions.  It did no good!  Very little was listened to and I rather doubt all our whining in the world will make a difference now. He has made his decision right or wrong!  So we will all have to live by it.

decisions can be changed wiley, i wouldnt call our responses whining, some of us are sad some are angry, and we respond appropriately to how we are feeling at the time but at the heart of things no one but pedro knows why he is closing the site so without that knowledge i cant make any judgements on pedro.

i am sure he is or will be reading every post on this thread and i imagine most likely will be surprised at the reaction.

many a time i have seen guys say it's my ball and i'm not playing anymore only to change there mind when their friends say aw c'mon.

Feels Like I am Losing a bunch of Family Members!!

JIM from Jersey

 I have not been a member here very long but,I feel as if I am loosing a family of friends!!!!
I had not played guitar much in over 25 years,this site was largely responsible for my renewed interest in playing again.I viewed the site for many months before joining,and felt as if I had come to know many of the members personally that is why I became a member.I have never met a better group of people!!!!!
  Pedro thank you for giving me the opportunity to be a small part of something bigger than all of us!
PLEASE reconsider or at least pass the torch to someone else!!! This is not just our hobby, it's our
family !!!
 Thank you also 64 Guitars for all of your hard work !!!

                 Gary
                                                     

I can't believe how this site/forum/community can possibly belong to one and only one person.... is this site hosted from Pedro's personal computer system or something?

What is the RUSH to close this community down? 

What is the RUSH to break up a family?

bewildered.........

Yeah i feel the way satch said earlier. Like someone just died and we`re going to the miss the wake and funeral. Pedro? You say you are shutting down because you have no time. It seems as though you put alot of time into this. This is an awesome site that is easy to figure out. Why divebomb the whole thing. If the guy who created Walmart who started from scratch did that his family wouldn`t have nothing. Okay bad example but you get my drift.

REconsider!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Hi Chaps have looked at most off the posts on the closure of this site couple of questions i would like to know

1 How much money does it take to run
2 How much time does it take for the Admin person to Run it
3 Surley the admin does not have all the rights to the site ,,we have personnel details here and of course our music ..and i must say quite a bit of time involved with answering people in posts , and i am only a relative newbie !!!
I have no concept on how to run a site and what it takes personally , so i,m not in a position to critise something i dont know about ,

Seems a bit sudden maybe he has some other concerns we dont know about

Paul   

Wow...having just joined the site, i don't have nearly the sense of loss that the "pioneers" here do...but this was a great discovery, and it will be missed!

That said...I have been a long standing member of the Tascam forums, and when they went through a period of similar upheaval, there were members that contributed their time to take some of the workload, and every member was asked to pay a small membership fee to help offset the expense of hosting. The overwhelming majority of us were glad to pitch in and help keep the community alive. I joined them 5 years ago, when I first got my Tascam 2488, and it was an extraordinary help for me to learn the nuances of this DAW. Now, I'm paying back...I'm one of the guys that pops in daily to try and offer answers and help to the folks that are just getting into home recording with the 2488 family.

I can only hope that a similar scenario will play out here, and the torch will be passed to others to bear. I, for one, would gladly pony up a membership fee to help offset the expense.

Fingers crossed!

Frankly, if I were Pedro and read some of the venom being spit right now, I wouldn't even consider an option.  There's some real ugliness manifesting itself with a handful of members.

I suggest a deep breath before we hear back from Pedro.  If he decides to fold the tent, so be it.  Let's be thankful for what the site represented and either move on or come up with an alternative, rather than berating the person who brought us together in the first place.

Blooby (Bruce Johnson bdj321 at hotmail.com)

Your absolutely right Blooby I think every one is just in shock.  Myself very much included!! And I admit I have said a few things in bad taste also.  I have calmed down some now.  Guess we will wait and see what happens.
PJ
P.S.  My brothers name is Bruce Johnson how weird is that?

Quote from: Wiley on February 23, 2010, 01:18:11 PMP.S.  My brothers name is Bruce Johnson how weird is that?

    I'm gonna miss this place so much.  :( :( :'( :'(

                                                   henwrench

                                                         

Blooby IS right... And I for one, apologize for my tone. Now that I am a bit more clam, I should explain my remarks.

I totally understand being overworked, rising costs, and no longer having the time or drive to continue running a site. My problem was with the refusal to allow someone else to take it over. There is a lot of good information on this site just to have it wiped out.

I've belonged to many music and guitar sites, and I've always eventually stopped going, after never posting more than a dozen times. This was the first site I felt at home... maybe even a little too much at times ;)

I've spending as much time as possible retrieving any music here that I do not have. Things I've worked on, stuff by all of you, etc. I'd really hate to see all of this go.

I hope to see EVERYONE at Tony's site. This community is not about Songcrafters or microrecorders or whatever... It's about us. Where ever we go, there we are...

Blooby, You are the man. I have the utmost respect for that post.

Quote from: Blooby on February 23, 2010, 01:11:18 PMFrankly, if I were Pedro and read some of the venom being spit right now, I wouldn't even consider an option.  There's some real ugliness manifesting itself with a handful of members.

I suggest a deep breath before we hear back from Pedro.  If he decides to fold the tent, so be it.  Let's be thankful for what the site represented and either move on or come up with an alternative, rather than berating the person who brought us together in the first place.

Well said Blooby. I agree 100%. Pedro deserves the respect and gratitude of every member here. I'm as shocked as everyone about this bad news but we shouldn't vent our frustration on the man who created this site and financed it entirely on his own for our benefit.

Yeah, I'm with you on that one, too, Bloob. And you too, 64.

well said bruce, gawd i'm gonna miss this place, in my state of shock and awe i forgot to pay my thanks and gratitude to 64guitars he helped me with my first baby steps and now we are currently collaborating on a song, ironically its an unplugged version of jon and vangelis' "somehow i'll find my way home", the guy is a never ending source of information and inspiration, i got you on my email list both you guys so no escaping me, unless you got mailwasher.

thanks 64

and you to blooby

 

I hope  my earlier post (https://songcrafters.org/community/index.php?topic=6367.msg80623#msg80623) isn't considered one of the venomous ones.  I just truly can't make any sense of the decision.

Here's the thing:

This is a successful online community.

I've even encouraged colleagues of mine who aren't musicians to check this out, and try to figure out the secret formula.

There are about 280 members of this community who have submitted 10 or more posts.

If this were a start-up company, this should be the point where the entrepreneur (considered a genius) hands over managerial control to a competent (but less brilliant) manager.  And then the stock price would go up.  If the entrepreneur decided instead to shutter the place, the shareholders would be justifiably upset and likely sue.

We're not shareholders, but we are stakeholders.  We have not put up money, but we have contributed to the success of the community, we have a stake in its continuation, and we will be affected by its loss.

If indeed the lights go out on March 1, life will go on.  But I may never understand why weren't allowed to take success for an answer.

Sad news indeed. I haven't been here long but I sensed the camaraderie between the members after only a few days of reading post. I would guess many here at Songcrafters not only come here for music and building friendships, but to have a place they can come to get away from "real" life struggles. A place you can go to relieve the stress of the day. A place you go where everybody knows your name.

I understand it takes a lot of time to maintain a community based website, but for an abrupt decision such as this it goes deeper than just a time issue. There's nothing that has been done that can't be fixed. If there's a will there's a way. Pedro, you mentioned deleting all the post on the site. Why would you want to delete all the great music and information everyone has shared to help others. Even if the site does not stay active why dispose of all the hard work to surrender the helm.

Anyway, like I said I am still fairly new to the site but I believe the Veteran members who made this site deserve an adequate explanation of why their community is being up heaved so suddenly.

I will miss this place. I was just starting to get to know some of you and your musical qualities.

Gary (Mach)

Folks, I get that we are all taking this in our own way, but realistically Pedro owes us nothing compared to what we owe him. Mark (Launched) helped me see that light.

I do not believe that this has been a sudden decision on Pedro's part but something that has been coming on for a while.

While we will all lose something in this, we should take a step back and look at what we all gained. Hell, I'm a musician now! I was a jerkoff before, so I have gained more than I have ever given.

I hope you all find happiness on your paths. If they lead my way, then I hope this happiness continues.

Sad news, but I understand. For the short time that I've been involved with this community, I really enjoyed myself. It was a pleasure to know you guys, along with listening to all of your great music.
I've just registered under the same username to Tony's site, so I hope to see you guys there... if Tony is cool about it.

APPROVED NEXT.......

Quote from: Tony W on February 23, 2010, 03:36:44 PMAPPROVED NEXT.......

Thanks. lol

michael dot fife at gmail dot com

Drop me a line.


(Modified because of stupidity........)

Everyone?

lol ....

Thanks torren61 ... I needed that laugh !!

his mailbox is gonna be full of viagra ads but he probably needs some, i can see google spider spreading it around the www

Quote from: oldrottenhead on February 23, 2010, 04:03:23 PMhis mailbox is gonna be full of viagra ads but he probably needs some, i can see google spider spreading it around the www

It already is!

My wife tried some. I got home and she had a huge wide on....

lmfao

Well this is not ideal.  Very sad development. There aren't many good things in the world - this was one of the good things.  I suppose it is like many places I have worked at.  I haven't agreed with decisions made - but I'm not the boss.  If I was the boss, I guess there's an outside chance that people wouldn't agree with my decisions.

From my own personally selfish point of view, I just hope someone has kept all of the music. My PC imploded and my iPod won't synch so I will be gutted not to be able to access all of the great music from the wonderful festivals (starting with the Trans Atlantic Blues Fest) to Kody's superb voice and faultless guitar (where is he anyway??) to Geir's haunting Oooahppapppaaa.

peace all

Take your pick...dead guys say it best...3 different Ways.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J57sg1HU54



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yl2yRufRQ4



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lph03-jOkN0

shit.

the music will go on...

maybe not here, but it will go on.

mr2kewl at hotmail dot com

aka Mark R. Stewart

peace

 8)

thanks tony

shout if you need any assistance

mark, you might want to edit your email address Like Flash did

I know i havent been on long joining in the summer,and being too busy to post till a couple months ago. My personal life is very busy. I have my business, and take care my kid. Life can be hectic. In reading these comments again, i have to say that this IS a travesty, but i accept everything you`ve done here Pedro. Of course we all want you to reconsider, but we also hope everything is okay in your personal life. That`s what matters most.

PeAce

Okay... Home from work now and even more calm than I was earlier.

One thing I saw hinted on, and something my wife brought up, is that I do hope everything is alright with you Pedro. First and foremost... I know how it is when things suddenly come up and certain decisions need to be made, and that they need to happen as soon as possible. So, if this due to something serious, then please take care of yourself. 

If not, I do hope you reconsider letting someone else take over. I am under the impression that there would be no shortage of willing takers of the community that you started.

I would also like to thank 64g, who I neglected in my earlier short-sighted posts. Although I haven't had a lot of personal exchanges with you, your answers to questions, and discussions on how to use the recorders was ultimately what prompted me to buy and MBR, and now a br600, as well as join this site. Best wishes.

25 cents says he's not reading these posts.  Best thing is to take the news with dignity and move on to another collab site or start your own.  Thanks to everyone who has been so nice to me.  Thanks to admin for this site while it lasted. 

BTW, any site who doesn't want "rift raft" (it's actually "riffraff") is a site where I don't want to be anyway.


RIFFRAFF:
noun
this government considers its citizens riffraff and is quick to silence the mere whispers of dissent rabble, scum, good-for-nothings, undesirables, lowlifes, hoi polloi, the lowest of the low; informal peasants. antonym elite.

After reading all of the posts here, some really unfair that made me feel sad, I realized that it is an envious decision to kill this website. I really didn't understand the level of connection to this community. Therefore, I will do the following:

I will pass the community, all the website content forum, portal, MP3's, everything, around 15GB of data, to a group organized by you. I believe there should be some organization in this group. This group should have a leader.  I will give the leader, FTP access to the folder that contains all the data. He will then have to download all the forum's content to his PC. Something that should take around 12 hours or more.

The domain songcrafters.org is registered with Name.com, the group will have to create an account there (free) and I will transfer the domain to that account.

After the data is downloaded and the domain is transfered, the group will have the full responsibility to do the rest, such has buy, manage, upload the data and configure the hosting account and domain configuration. My only conditions are:

• The future group of owners should honour the original community and don't turn it into for profit organization.
• The leader of the group is 64Guitars.

You are free to make changes in the original design and script if you which, as long as it respects the first condition.

Final thoughts, everything is alright with me, maybe I was a bit too quick when thinking this over.

I don't want to put pressure on 64Guitars with my condition of him being the leader, the reason for choosing him is based on trust, respect and ease of the whole transfering problem (he already has access to the server). Obviously, the group will have to share the financial and maintenance burden.

If no solution is found, the website will have to be closed.

Let me know what you think.

Pedro, I presume to say for all of us how much we appreciate your efforts (and now your open mind).

Blooby

Quote from: admin on February 23, 2010, 07:43:54 PMLet me know what you think.

I think that's wonderful.

I throw my hat in the ring to be part of a group to take control of the site.

Pedro: Wouldn't it be easier to transfer control of the hosting account, rather than have to download all the data, and upload it to a new host?  There would be no downtime if it were done this way.

I expected that you had some feelings that needed to be sorted out, Pedro. Hence the reason why I found the overall reaction to your decision distasteful. A man needs to get his thoughts together.

I'm very pleased that you are willing to allow the forum to continue. Thank you so much, and it means a lot to all of us.

Mark

Thank you, Pedro. That's very kind of you. I would be happy to lead the group and manage and maintain this wonderful site that you've created.

But I'll need help. First of all, I'm not a business-oriented person and I have no interest in becoming one. So, I'll need a volunteer to take on the responsibility of acquiring a web host, making sure the bills are paid, and dealing with the web host provider when necessary. I have an idea or two on how we might get a sponsor to pay for the host services, so it might not be necessary for the members to pay for it. But, if it is, I don't want to have to deal with collecting member payments or donations and paying the hosting provider.

Also, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to read all of the posts. Yet, I feel that it's necessary in order to moderate properly. Therefore, I'd like some volunteers to help with moderation.

I agree with you that the site should never be a for-profit venture. That's why I'd prefer to get a sponsor to pay for the host services, if possible, rather than collect money from members.

Thanks once again for making this site the success it is today and for giving us the opportunity to keep it alive.

And don't be offended by the unfair comments that were posted. I'm sure they were made out of frustration and shock over the news of the site closing. When people calm down, I'm sure they'll regret their unfair comments and realize how much they owe you for making this site possible.

I wish you all the best my friend.

Damn, I was gonna run for leader.  Then I would have you all bring me tribute... such as bananas.  Also, you would have had to build me a throne and bring me virgins.  Not dude virgins either.  The good kind.

Ok guys... you may have seen my post up momentarily not knowing that Pedro had replied... I just learned this thread was here today. This thread made me feel as if I had been kicked in the nuts... and they were attached to my heart. I am soooo glad you made this decision Pedro. I do appreciate everything you have done to create this wonderful community and keep it maintained. Guys... I don't have much free time... but if there is something that I can do to help maintain this site I will gladly make some sacrifice. Thinking back to early days of my BR experience... Which is almost ready to traded in for a new one.... I can remember not knowing what the heck a virtual track was. Don't get me started with bouncing and mastering. Long story short this community has pulled me through some very bad times and somehow taught this old dog some new tricks. Pedro you introduced me to the BR through your "Bitchin Videos'. Without this support I probably would have spent the rest of my musical career playin in tired old bars with no inspiration. Everytime I visit this board I'm inspired to try something a little different than my norm... I also boast to every one of my musician buddies to join in. I hope they will some day and I hope this sight continues to work the same magic for them... as it did for me.

Very Respectfully

Tod

Quote from: Ted on February 23, 2010, 08:15:12 PM

Quote from: admin on February 23, 2010, 07:43:54 PMLet me know what you think.

I think that's wonderful.

I throw my hat in the ring to be part of a group to take control of the site.

Pedro: Wouldn't it be easier to transfer control of the hosting account, rather than have to download all the data, and upload it to a new host?  There would be no downtime if it were done this way.

The problem with that is the hosting account has personal information that can't be deleted and I want to keep private. Hope you understand.

Pedro, I think We've got a viable solution in the making.

Ladies and gents It appears the fire department has shown up in time. WE WILL HAVE A HOME!

I don't want to keep everyone in the dark, but until we settle on a course of action We'll be playing this close to the hip as to not cause anymore knee jerk reactions.

And to be fair, People took this hard and everyone deals with it in a different way.

** I suggest we all reserve judgment on both the announcement to close the site, and the reactions to the news, then the decision to keep the site going**

This is human nature at its finest and worst.

i dont know what to say other than i dont know what to say. just gonna shut up and gather my thoughts

There must be something in the air. My gf's favourite forum that she'd been participating in for 4+ years decided to close this week (without warning). There were 85,000 members on that, and like this place, it went beyond online discussion into very real friendships, support and discussions.

It would be a terrible thing to see this site go. Whilst we could theoretically start anew someplace else, it would never be the same. For me, there was a real golden age on this site about a year ago, and I'm glad I was around to see it. I think we had the right number of people on here, and everyone was equally creative and supportive - a very important balance. Forums like this rely on people who give as much as they take, and we've recently seen quite a lot of people happy to post songs and expect a review, but are slightly less keen to listen and comment on other people's.

I'm rambling now. Out of shock and sadness.

I hope there's a resolution.

We've always needed 64 guitars, but never as much as we do now. Lead us out of the darkness!!!!

I don't think Pedro realises the effect he's had on our lives, and the happiness he brought through teaching us how to use the MBR and giving us a place to grow as musicians and as a community. For that, I'll always be grateful. Seriously... this place changed my life. For staters, there would be no Jemima's Kite, and I can't imagine not being a part of that beautiful collaboration with James and Mike now. And all the other great people I've collaborated with... Bluesberry, 48, Hooper, 64guitars, Ronniejm, Ronnie Hucks, Prive, Covermark, to name but a few.

Shit.

(http://euroross.blogspot.com/Sad%20Clown.jpg)

Let's go down the pub!

it's my round tim

Triple JD and coke, lol. Sorry... couldn't take your call as I'm sat at a desk in an open plan office, pretending to work!

it's not over till the fat lady sings

Someone stop her!  :D

(http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/fat_lady.jpg)

Goodness, been away on a business trip and stuck in France due to a strike and missed all this. All I can say is:

- Pedro, many, many thanks for starting this site and putting so much effort into it. I didn't see your original post and have no idea what prompted your reasons for wanting to shut it down, but whatever your reasons for wanting to move on, I respect them. This must have been a huge commitment for you and I really appreciate it.

- 64G, many thanks for offering to try to move things on. I'm afraid I can't offer any regular help as my work life is so busy and I travel so much I cannot be relied on for any regular support. I will however continue to support any future forum with comments, feedback and some occasional music as well.

- FWIW I would be prepared to contribute financially to any site like this to help keep things going. I would NOT expect everyone to do so btw. I am on another forum (car-related) where some folks choose to pay money to keep it going but not everyone does. Seems to work OK.

Cheers,

Nigel

Blimey - I almost missed all this stuff!  As a relative newcomer to this site - and not a particularly prolific poster either (although I do try, honest) - I would have been very sad to see it fold.  I take my hat off to Pedro (and indeed everyone who is/has and will be) involved in making this site the pleasant and informative place to visit that I have found it to be.

Paul Chapman

Crumbs!

I'm not as active as I was something like a year ago - I just don't have the time at the moment to make any recordings, and, well, if I ain't got no toons, then I kinda feel like I've got nothing to say... so I lurk on here... and occasionally post.

I've only just seen this (and didn't see the original announcement).

I'd like to add my thanks to Pedro and 64 G - and to all the members - for the effort put in to this place.

Sounds like we might be sticking together. I'll keep watching to see what happens... I might not be that active at the moment on the music front, but I will be again, and this is a fantastic outlet for it.

Andrew

I haven't been on this site very long either, but I've met some great people here. I'm glad to hear that the doors will not close. Thanks Pedro, for creating this site, and for allowing it to go forward; and 64 for volunteering to carry on. I don't have the time or expertise, but I hope you find the help you need to keep it afloat.

Frank

I have not posted much, but have been reading this site every day for a long while.  I feel like I know everyone from reading all of the posts.

I am also saddened to hear this news. 

I do want to say thanks to everyone for their help when I've had questions, and for sharing their music. 

I've been playing acoustic guitar and 5 string banjo for 35 yrs and keep pretty busy working and playing gigs so I haven't posted any songs.  But I do listen to most everything you all post.

If it turns out that it's a money thing, I would be more than happy to contribute. 

Thanks to Pedro and 64 for all of the time they have put in, and for the great info.

Steve

To Pedro, 64Guitars, TonyW, and all of my Friends here at Songcrafters,

Thank you Pedro for reconsidering passing the torch!  And also thank you to 64Guitars for accepting and hopefully succeeding at continuing the life of our community and music family!  Let us know where we can help if need be.  A big thanks to TonyW for stepping up and working an alternate site when this site was down and possibly out!  That amazes me!

After all, this was the very first music site that I've ever posted at, so all of you have become like family to me and have helped me to grow musically and technically.  I've even shared personal things with many of you, so this really became a second home for me.

So, thank you all for your comadre/companionship and another big thanks again to Pedro who had the dream to start this very successful community of musicians and friends and another big thanks to 64Guitars again as well for all the technical/training support that has helped me and others learn the in's-and-out's of recording and working the Boss recorders!

Sincerely,
Tommy..

 THANK YOU PEDRO for reconsidering !!!!!!
THANK YOU 64 Guitars for stepping up to the plate !!!!
And thanks in advance to whoever else joins the the management group!!
Like some others have already said,I to ,do not have the expertise to be part of the group .But would be willing to offer some financial support if needed to keep this wonderful community together!!!

              AGAIN MANY THANKS !!!!!
             
                        Gary

Thanks Pedro!! I really hope this works out!

Post From Greeny...

QuoteI don't think Pedro realises the effect he's had on our lives, and the happiness he brought through teaching us how to use the MBR and giving us a place to grow as musicians and as a community. For that, I'll always be grateful. Seriously... this place changed my life.

Ditto...

Pedro...

You have changed mine as well...So Much you May never know... Simply By creating this Utopia..






As For funding.....  I Am Prepared to contribute to Funding This dream (and it has been... The Best Of dreams)......

I would Busk To find the funds If I was Short of making this contribution.....Just to keep this place Going...



You have touched many Lives My friend....... Even if it wasn't your intention when you started.... It is Now the Case....

You are AWESOME!




Thank you

post some boobs for pedro

Like this?

HAAAAA

Quote from: oldrottenhead on February 24, 2010, 05:43:46 PMpost some boobs for pedro

I Know these have been Posted before....

But...


I Typed in "Boobs of Change" Into Google images....

Got these....


(http://www.vanguardngr.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/BOOBS.jpg)



The Most Sublime I have ever posted....


Every last dew drop..... :o


For you Pedro.... ;)

Honest....

Look...


http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&gbv=2&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=boobs+of+change&aq=f&oq=&start=0

Many thanks Pedro!   You did a great job.

Best wishes for all your future undertakings.

Wow ... :o :o :o

There was a time period in 2009 of maybe 8 or so months in which I grew exponentially as a musician and perhaps even as a person, thanks to this esteemed Forum and its loyal members.  I was able to listen to some of the best music I've ever heard in my life, create real friendships and musical bonds within and outside the "walls" of the Forum, and most importantly for me, I gained a musical confidence I never realized I had within me, all thanks to the genuine appreciation and encouragement of many here that I now consider to be my friends.  It was because of this amazing out-pouring of support that I completely turned around my entire philosophy about what music is and should be to my life.  I made a complete 180-degree turnaround from thinking that music is nothing more than a throw-away hobby to something I am going to put every ounce of my soul into in an attempt (albeit most likely futile, if I am to think realistically) to make music for a living.  That is a major life-changing event, people.  And it's all because of Songcrafters.org, or as I still think of it, BossBR.net.  I cannot thank everyone enough, but mostly Pedro, for bringing all of these incredibly talented musicians together and changing many of our lives for the better.

I'm sure many of the more recent members have no idea who this "Bosko Schwartz" cat even is, because due to the aforementioned change in musical philosophy, I haven't had the time to post anything significant in a good 4 months or so.  I find it humorous and ironic that the reason I don't have time to hang around the Forum anymore is because of the Forum itself! :)  Well, that and family and the day-job, of course.  I do want to apologize for my absence during this time.  Musically, I am still but a single-celled microorganism in a vast sea of corporate bullshit, and trying to get my music out there is exciting, energizing, frustrating, and humbling all at the same time.  It sometimes seems like it's desperate and all for naught, but my point is that the process of creating a full-length album from scratch, releasing it worldwide, and trying to market and promote it has taken more time than I ever thought.  And now that I am attempting to start playing live as well, a whole new bomb has been dropped, soaking up every last drop of free time I once had.  So I hope those who know me remember that there was once a time that I contributed wholeheartedly to the Forum, and I hope you understand why I have been so distant recently.  Ah, let's cut to the chase, here -- I just hope you don't think I'm a selfish bastard because I no longer post music or comment on others' tunes like I used to spend hours each day doing! ;D  It was a very tough realization I came to soon after my philosophy change that with what I am attempting to do with my music, sacrifices will have to be made; well, they have been made, and one of the hardest things -- probably THE hardest -- to "give up" was this Forum.

The main reason for this post is to thank Pedro for this website because it truly did change my life, and I know of many other fine musicians whose lives were also changed because of it.  I also thank you, Pedro, for re-considering shutting down the place, and I thank you, 64Guitars, for the outstanding job you have done as Global Moderator and for agreeing to lead the Forum so that it does not disappear into a void of cyberspace.  Lastly, I just want to thank everyone here at the Forum who have contributed to changing my life for the better.  I would list you by name, but I don't want to leave anyone out, and I am sure that you all know who you are.  Anyone who had even an inkling of a nice thing to say about my music contributed to this in some way, and some of you in particular had an extremely large impact.

Thank you everyone, and please forgive my absence from the Forum.

Really sad to see this place go, I think everyone who has come here has grown as a musician in someway, This was the place I would come for inspiration. there is alot of talented people here. total bummer.

thank you for everything pedro, if it wasnt for your videos I would still have my BR in the box it came in.
best wishes.

New arrangements = see below - this is from the 1st page / post that was edited

Quote from: admin on February 23, 2010, 07:30:34 AMEDITED:

After reading all of the posts here, some really unfair that made me feel sad, I realized that it is an envious decision to kill this website. I really didn't understand the level of connection to this community. Therefore, I will do the following:

I will pass the community, all the website content forum, portal, MP3's, everything, around 15GB of data, to a group organized by you. I believe there should be some organization in this group. This group should have a leader.  I will give the leader, FTP access to the folder that contains all the data. He will then have to download all the forum's content to his PC. Something that should take around 12 hours or more.

The domain songcrafters.org is registered with Name.com, the group will have to create an account there (free) and I will transfer the domain to that account.

After the data is downloaded and the domain is transfered, the group will have the full responsibility to do the rest, such has buy, manage, upload the data and configure the hosting account and domain configuration. My only conditions are:

• The future group of owners should honour the original community and don't turn it into for profit organization.
• The leader of the group is 64Guitars.

You are free to make changes in the original design and script if you which, as long as it respects the first condition.

Final thoughts, everything is alright with me, maybe I was a bit too quick when thinking this over.

I don't want to put pressure on 64Guitars with my condition of him being the leader, the reason for choosing him is based on trust, respect and ease of the whole transfering problem (he already has access to the server). Obviously, the group will have to share the financial and maintenance burden.

Let me know what you think.

oops must have missed that part...so 64 is carrying the torch now?

i hope that whatever happens to the site in the future , that whoever owns, runs, controls or whatever it is you do to keep this thing going, does it in an impassive, benign and benevolent way, that does not impose their personal, ego, will, rules, demands etc on the members of the forum.

whatever it takes to keep the site going with the spirit in which it has been administered up till now will be a difficult task, so i humbly offer my meagre skills to however takes on the task in assisting them with that aim, should they share that goal.

Things change.  Remembering that helps me remember to savor each moment while times are good... and to be patient and hang on when the times are not so good.

The past two years with this forum have been quite a ride!  And it's actually never been in a state of not changing.  I've surely enjoyed it a lot and don't want to miss the opportunity to thank Pedro again for creating and maintaining this fine place.  Thank you, Pedro!  It's been a great thing that you've done here.  Whatever this thing changes into next... I hope you will come and hang around as a participating recording musician.  Yes, I remember in the 'old days' when you used to post music.  So, I wish you well.  :)

I expect there will be some form of continuity with this amicable group of musical misfits in the days ahead.   I'll be hanging on to see what the changes bring.

see ya,

Hooper





     

there is so much goodness on this site the talent the people the music the vibe long may it continue.

Do we have an update on the status of this site yet?  Will this family of ours make it thru the teen years?

DITTO

JIM from Jersey

Hang in there. I think 64G and Tony W have things underway. Keep hoping!

Cheers,

Nigel

Ditto  From Dunny !!

The only thing that lives forever is our spirit which creates the music in our soul to share with others who will accept it. We will be together again and forever in some fourm or passing.

Love and peace to all.

contact info

mikec@spring-fill.com
mikemagiccampbell@hotmail.com

holdempok

Songcrafters will continue.

See this topic:

https://songcrafters.org/community/index.php?topic=6446.msg81895#msg81895 (https://songcrafters.org/forum/index.php?topic=6446.msg81895#msg81895)

phew...had me worried there Pedro

Songcrafters is back!