Should I be there?
I know a lot of the posters here are on that site, I took a quick look and it seems aimed at people like a lot of us on here. But is it worth the time an effort joining up and posting? My first "love" is this site because it got me back into making music in the mid 2000s. I spend quite a lot of time listening to, and commenting on, music here. If I join there, will I just spend my entire life commenting on music? And becasue I don't want to be rude to my Songcrafters friends, will I be commenting twice on all your songs?
On the other hand, do folks see Songcrafters as a "secondary" site to Alonetone?
Thoughts please.......
first off I am biased. But to me songcrafters is a more personable place to be. There is certainly more feedback and interaction here it seems than there. That said I am not a regular contributer there. But it always seemed a lonely place to me. Lots of music and posts but not much of a community. If there is i was not a part of that or saw much evidence of it. It does let you post larger files tho. so i have used it for that then linked to it via here. Anyway that's my thruppence worth.
Thanks Jim, I'm staying here then. I need to be working on music rather than posting on another site about people's work.
Quote from: Oldrottenhead on May 04, 2020, 10:30:41 AMfirst off I am biased. But to me songcrafters is a more personable place to be. There is certainly more feedback and interaction here it seems than there. That said I am not a regular contributer there. But it always seemed a lonely place to me. Lots of music and posts but not much of a community. If there is i was not a part of that or saw much evidence of it. It does let you post larger files tho. so i have used it for that then linked to it via here. Anyway that's my thruppence worth.
I agree 100%
Alfredo
I came over from alonetone it was the first place I tentatively stepped into the arena of playing to the internet at large and I had and have a great experience with it and have met a great number of people from around the world on it and collaborated with a great number of them too, it opened my eyes To what the internet has to offer. It wasn't until meeting Dave Berry on there that I came across somgcrafters I find the people on alonetkne encouraging and friendly it's a well run site but you do have to spend sometime there the same as anywhere really you can't just pop in and hope to connect The apprenticeship has to be served. Like meets like you'll find its the same as here it's a bit like moving house suddenly you have more friends than you used too Give it a try
I joined there but couldn't get my head around the forum part ?? It only displayed two boards one for for ideas to make the site better and the other was a post from last year so i figured no one was hanging around anymore so that's where i left it. I didnt even load up any of my tunes.
I discovered SOngcrafters.org because I have a boss BR600 and I was googling about how to do looping and repeat with the boss BR600 recorder and I ran across these forums.
I didn't even realize when I stumbled onto Songcrafters how there might be other places to post music online. AloneTone seems like a positive friendly place. Second place to Songcrafters , for me.
Songcrafters is a friendly community and folks listen to each other and talk about each other's music. Over here feels like a kinda coffee-klatsch for songwriters in some medium to large city somewhere in England or the Midwestern USA. In short, I love it here.
I really detest Soundcloud, by the way, thanks for asking. (Nobody asked, but I'm gonna rant about Soundcloud now.) ...
SoundCloud is (A) not sure who its audience is, (B) has no money for moderation or even any simple way to stop all the hot sexy link profile follower spam (MindyTHeMinxxxx is following you!), (C) the web site UI is badly designed, for creators and for would-be listeners, and (D) Soundcloud has no sense of community, and (E) is full of spammers and hacks (hey Warren I see you posted a new track, please hit me up for some help getting this track to the "next level") selling their wares. As a strictly non-commercial strictly amateur musician, I think Soundcloud could have at least had a clear "amateur friendly" environment. That's unfortunate because Soundcloud also is home to a really strong synthwave/chill/electronica set of creators.
I found a few other sites that are unsure if they are for amateurs or for "wannabe" semi-pros (folks with a dayjob who dream of making enough off spotify streams to quit their day-job) or whatever. No judging from me, because if that's your dream, God bless, but I just think that us confirmed Eternal Amateurs probably are happiest off in our own corner away from the scent of someone's fading dreams of musical glory. Being the number one streamer on a streaming site nobody has heard of is a long way from getting 6,000,000 streams a year on spotify or having six figure income from apple music.
I quite like Bandcamp and I give artists on bandcamp money and buy their music there. If you're an up and coming or an indie settled artist, you should post your work and let people buy it on bandcamp. I buy music and support artists I like who are either up and coming or grizzled veterans who haven't gotten enough top ten radio hits to be able to live on their residual checks. I am not 100% sure Bandcamp alone is ENOUGH to keep soul and body together for actual grizzled veterans I know who sell music on there. Bandcamp plus patreon seems like a workable combo. Benn Jordan, for instance, is a true pro, and his income streams are (a) Youtube, (b) Spotify, (c) Bandcamp and (d) Other. As "The Flashbulb" Benn's music is culturally significant and moderately successful although he's not a household name, he has a huge international fanbase. I dig his stuff, which some people label "IDM" (Intelligent Dance Music), a genre name that I think is, ironically kinda dumb, given it has the word "intelligent" in the name.
Quote from: thetworegs on May 04, 2020, 04:11:46 PMIt wasn't until meeting Dave Berry on there that I came across somgcrafters
Its true...I saw this Reg character and all his wacked out brilliant songs I just couldn't get enough...I just knew he would get along well with all us lunatics over here...so that is how Reg came over to our side...and we have all been the better for it.
As for alonetone, I post over there because I like how you can put all your songs together in a pretty nice way, but the interaction is not the same as over here...it feels pretty lonley as ORH said. This is a really interactive and active music site and that is hard to beat. There is more variety of music and genres over there, but the personal interaction is very limited. Songcrafters is the place to be. If you just want to post up a bunch of songs to have a location to share from, Alonetone is good for that....if you want to be part of a strong interactive encouraging musical community, It is hard to beat Songcrafters....we are the best site on the internet for the community aspect...I have dabbled in numerous sites over the years....songcrafters will always be my musical home site on the net...long live Songcrafters...I have been away from this site (and the internet in general) for a little while, but I am so glad to see this site is still thriving and I am glad to be able to come back to it again after my lay-about....long live Songcrafters...
Well said Dave!
92 minutes standing ovation to Dave!
:)
Alfredo
QuoteIt is hard to beat Songcrafters....we are the best site on the internet for the community aspect...I have dabbled in numerous sites over the years....songcrafters will always be my musical home site on the net...long live Songcrafters...I have been away from this site (and the internet in general) for a little while, but I am so glad to see this site is still thriving and I am glad to be able to come back to it again after my lay-about....long live Songcrafters...[/quote]
well said Dave!
and long live the songcrafter site!
Vive le site Songcrafter!
y que viva el sitio de los artesanos de la canción!
e viva o site dos artesãos da canção!
e viva il sito degli artigiani della canzone!
en lang leve de site van de liedjesschrijvers!
???????????????? ah zut songcrafter ne reconnait pas les symboles japonais ;D ;D ;D
und es lebe die Seite der Songhandwerker!
I really like that site and have collaborated/conversed/chummed with quite a few members there. When Reg came over here it was quite a thrill, didn't know Dave was the catalyst - Well done! Agreed the forum is a weak point and I didn't even know it existed after being on there for quite a while. But music is the focus, which is a good thing. The site roots on what our jukebox is here.
Something else to add is there are Alonetone members that came here and could not figure it out at all! Definitely two different environments.
Alonetone is a place not to be ignored, just sayin'. But my roots are with Songcrafters, the blood runs too deep. "Mariah Fookin' Carey" says it all lol! Wish we could just hang out in our own village, and nobody drifted away.
Quote from: launched on January 06, 2021, 10:12:15 PMI really like that site and have collaborated/conversed/chummed with quite a few members there.
Alonetone is a place not to be ignored, just sayin'. But my roots are with Songcrafters, the blood runs too deep. "Mariah Fookin' Carey" says it all lol! Wish we could just hang out in our own village, and nobody drifted away.
Good points Mark, Alonetone is a pretty cool site also, probalby the 2nd best one I have found besides Soundcrafters. I found the interaction aspect lacking compared to here, but maybe I didn't put enough effort in either...you get out what effort you put in for sure...I dabbled over at Alonetone, I immersed myself here at Soundcrafters. The membership is definately vaster than over here, maybe that is part of the difference, this site is concentrated on a relatevely small core group of dedicated lunatics....Alonetone feels much vaster...it is the forum aspect and the comments and counter comments, all the friendly and lunatic banter that happens here that doesn't seem to happen as easily on Alonetone that is so awesome about Soundcrafters...folks owe to to themselves to have a look at Alonetone, it is a good 2nd musical site to have.......but it is hard to beat Soundcrafters for the community feeling...
Quote from: Bluesberry on January 07, 2021, 08:06:25 AM.......but it is hard to beat Soundcrafters for the community feeling...
In my opinion, Songcrafters is not a simple web site. It's like a village where everybody respects and supports each other. Since we all have to do with music, even on amateur level, I think that probably there are similar realities concerning other "worlds" (artistic, collectors, professional...), but I think that our approach to SC is anyway absolutely unique. This makes it something special.
Alfredo
Well I noticed something is different here from the first time I made a "hello everybody" post, to posting my first track.
I started out on Soundcloud, and each time I posted anything on there, I mostly did so so I could send links to my close friends to say, hey I wrote a thing, you said you were interested in hearing what I get up to...
Now I feel much better about just posting here on Songcrafters, as I feel the philosophy of "comment and be commented", (listen to, and be listened to) works great for me as a person. I get something good out of listening to you guys, and I also appreciate the listens and the (rather kind) comments. This is not a harsh community, and maybe that's the best thing here. Kindness and goodwill reins here. So that's why I like Songcrafters best.
Alonetone maybe the place where I only post what I think is "bestofs" and use it as a kind of file folder for playlists. A small benefit of Alonetone's player is it works better on iPads and iPhones than the player on SC does.
I didn't know about Alonetone until this thread so I'll have to check it out but not sure I need another one. I belong to some other music sites as well but Songcrafters is at the top of the list for me.
Farrell