Hate that waiting period?
Are you mad now?
Just print your gun (only works once, but hay that's all you need!)
http://defensedistributed.com/
( only in Texas ;D )
Think I prefer the 3d printed guitars http://www.odd.org.nz/
Yep. Easier access to guns. That's what America needs. ::) :( Insane!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20698095 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20698095)
I can't understand why someone would store an AR-15 in a closet or under a bed. Everyone I know has theirs locked in a fireproof gun safe. Plus, they're not exactly cheap.
i and i imagine most europeans are perplexed by america's relationship with guns. my heart goes out to all the folk in newtown connecticut,
i remember like it was yesterday when we had similar news in scotland, re the dunblane shooting. as a parent it cut deep and it cuts deep again.
deepest sympathies.
There was a shooting at an elementary school (ages 5-11) in Connecticut (I think) today. Public schools are a 'gun free zone.' Apparently the mentally ill and criminals don't realize that. Or maybe they do and that's why Universities, places of worship and public schools are selected. Yet another tragedy committed by a sick individual.
a sick individual with a gun. or maybe he was just in a bad mood. with a gun.
the obvious solution is the teachers should be armed.
Another horrible shooting in Conn.??? Does anyone know how,or if ever,this happens in other countries ?
Are Americans/civilians so hated by the shooters ? Is our country filled with such terrible people,that the shooters decide to take them as well...and children also? Just to go out with a bang ? To be remembered ? --no one ever remembers their names regardless- All this horror from seemingly
"normal kids"
"The right to bear arms.." should be re examined to say the least-- As police can testify to the fact that the gun owner usually ends up getting shot by his own gun----- .
What would he have done if there were no guns to be had ?
Did he hate people THAT much ? My prayers go out to the families of these children--i could not imagine that kind of pain--
Nutters and guns. Never a happy combination. We have had our own in the UK - hand guns are now illegal in this country, there has been a dreadful incident in Norway recently. Germany had its troubles in the 70's.
I don't understand why anyone needs to own a gun in the western world. There is no need for that sort of self defence.
I hope that this makes the American right wing stop and think.
I feel very sorry for those parents who have lost their children. My children are the only things that I have that are truly irreplaceable.
i had just become a father when a similar incident happened in dunblane, just a few miles from where i live. the next few days the newspapers here had endless pictures of the young children killed. i am afraid that is what we are gonna be seeing in the front page of every newspaper around the world in the next few days. bloody heartbreaking.
as a result here in the uk we changed our gun laws. i am sure the inevitable front page pictures of the victims will have a similar effect on the general public in the usa. also seeing your president tonight, i have never before seen a politician speak with such integrity and dignity. dump the guns guys its not the 18th century anymore.
The world - the whole world - is full of people with mental problems.
But if, somewhere in the world, these people can easily find, and buy, every kind of weapons they like, as if they were books or CDs, what else could we expect?
Tears and mourn for some days, of course, but hands down the weapons industry. Too much money involved. Pure hypocrisy.
There is something I will never understand about the U.S.
Alfredo
This is the best way to store guns. In Australia in the mid nineties after a mass shooting, the government changed the gun laws and bought back hundreds of thousands of guns and destroyed them.
(http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/04/27/weapons_2804_narrowweb__300x455,0.jpg)
I'm really sad. It's really hard to find right words. I was on my last night shift, when I heard that in radio news. Since that moment, I was like a zombie. Kids! I can't believe that.
My heart goes out to all those families who have been affected by this atrocity.
I'll not get into a debate on gun rights here and now. Our thoughts and prayers are with the families affected by this tragedy.
Just another terrible tragedy. I almost cried seeing those terrified kids on television, and I don't even have children. I can't imagine the pain their families are going through.
Not sure about gun laws. I know people like to hunt with rifles and such, but I see absolutely no reason for the general public to be allowed to obtain automatic rifles or semi-automatic hand guns. If you must have a gun, is a simple hunting rifle not enough?
I will never understand the fascination with weapons.
There shouldn't be much call for automatic weapons outside of the military. I don't understand how banning certain types of guns would be such a bad thing in the USA.
Surely the 'right to bear arms' can be narrowed to legitimate (and properly licensed) hunting weapons?
This world is too full of horror, hatred and greed.
That video is insane, printable guns ???, let's make printable food or shoes instead. It's getting to be like the old west in some places across the USA, Arizona & Oklahoma people are wandering around with holsters on. I can't imagine much will change without leading into some serious civil conflict but with as polarized as we are here civil conflict might not be that far away. I've never been interested in guns, shooting or hunting myself and never felt that someone responsible shouldn't have the right to own a gun, but automatic weapons seem a bit extreme to me. And what's the big deal about waiting for background checks, I certainly think needing a gun immediately, right now, without delay should raise a red flag on that individual.
I think it has more to do with our overwhelming apatite for violence as entertainment. Young adults today have been so desensitized to violence through movies, games & TV they miss the irony or deeper meaning of the stories and end up emulating the actions. Don't let your little kids steal cars and kill prostitutes in the living room, Lord I miss Dig Dug & Galaxian! It used to be there was a distinction between adult entertainment and family entertainment, now there seems to be less & less and look what we get...a bunch of screwed up teenagers/20somethings that can't separate reality from fantasy.
Another horrible tragedy, my prayers go out to all those who are suffering!
28 minutes long. Don't watch if you don't want a pro gun ownership view point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhXOuuHcjbs
in 5 minutes and so far in my eyes it is taking the piss out of pro gun ownership. so far i'm reading it as ironic and absolutely hilarious, gonna watch the whole thing, so far it is so anti gun get back when i watch entire show.
deffo ironic http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PennAndTellerBullshit probably too clever. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
bill hicks might be a comedian but spoke a lot of sense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn8-S_wCdT8
The bill hicks clip was funny, btw.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland
makes interesting reading. switzerland actually have a proper militia, no army, but a militia. have they been reading your 2nd constitutional amendment comma and all ;D ;D
i'm gonna shut up on this now,
before i piss everyone off.
it's a very emotive subject, that i am very emotive about, as stated earlier (dunblane).
the usa obviously has got a lot of soul searching to do, but for now, i am saving my thoughts and wishes for the victims and their surviving families.
Members of the Westboro Baptist Church planned to picket the funerals of these poor kids. They claim that this shooting is their god's punishment for the gay marriage legalisation. One of the members tweeted that they were going down to picket. In response to this, Anonymous hacked the 'church'es website and the twitter account of the person organising the picket.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/under-god/post/westboro-baptist-church-to-picket-sandy-hook-funerals-4-ways-to-respond/2012/12/17/520a6ba0-488e-11e2-b6f0-e851e741d196_blog.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/under-god/post/westboro-baptist-church-to-picket-sandy-hook-funerals-4-ways-to-respond/2012/12/17/520a6ba0-488e-11e2-b6f0-e851e741d196_blog.html)
I cannot get my head around this response to tragedy from so called 'Christians'.
In regard to gun control in the U.S. I'm gonna follow ORH's lead and shut the hell up. What I said I'd do and what I shoulda done all along.
In regards to Westboro. They are a bunch of lawyers who just try to provoke people into doing something wrong so they can sue and make some money. They are heartless pieces of crap, imo.
Quote from: Flash Harry on December 17, 2012, 04:01:18 PMMembers of the Westboro Baptist Church planned to picket the funerals of these poor kids. They claim that this shooting is their god's punishment for the gay marriage legalisation. One of the members tweeted that they were going down to picket. In response to this, Anonymous hacked the 'church'es website and the twitter account of the person organising the picket.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/under-god/post/westboro-baptist-church-to-picket-sandy-hook-funerals-4-ways-to-respond/2012/12/17/520a6ba0-488e-11e2-b6f0-e851e741d196_blog.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/under-god/post/westboro-baptist-church-to-picket-sandy-hook-funerals-4-ways-to-respond/2012/12/17/520a6ba0-488e-11e2-b6f0-e851e741d196_blog.html)
I cannot get my head around this response to tragedy from so called 'Christians'.
I despise them. By the way, The Anonymous Group have just declared 'war' on the Westboro goons...
http://boingboing.net/2012/12/17/anonymous-declares-religious-w.html (http://boingboing.net/2012/12/17/anonymous-declares-religious-w.html)
Quote from: Greeny on December 18, 2012, 03:11:54 AMQuote from: Flash Harry on December 17, 2012, 04:01:18 PMMembers of the Westboro Baptist Church planned to picket the funerals of these poor kids. They claim that this shooting is their god's punishment for the gay marriage legalisation. One of the members tweeted that they were going down to picket. In response to this, Anonymous hacked the 'church'es website and the twitter account of the person organising the picket.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/under-god/post/westboro-baptist-church-to-picket-sandy-hook-funerals-4-ways-to-respond/2012/12/17/520a6ba0-488e-11e2-b6f0-e851e741d196_blog.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/under-god/post/westboro-baptist-church-to-picket-sandy-hook-funerals-4-ways-to-respond/2012/12/17/520a6ba0-488e-11e2-b6f0-e851e741d196_blog.html)
I cannot get my head around this response to tragedy from so called 'Christians'.
I despise them. By the way, The Anonymous Group have just declared 'war' on the Westboro goons...
http://boingboing.net/2012/12/17/anonymous-declares-religious-w.html (http://boingboing.net/2012/12/17/anonymous-declares-religious-w.html)
I was watching the whole thing unfold on twitter yesterday, it seems that they are being targetted by just about every hacker on the planet, and there are two petitions on the White House site, one to get the IRS to investigate their tax exempt status (!) and one to have them declared as a hate organisation.
I will just make one more statement as I am for some government intervention in the US, but certainly not a complete ban on guns or anything like that... in fact, my first statement on this thread was a bit rash as I don't really think any particular gun is to blame at all... but one thing stands out to me about Switzerland, their government provides the ammunition in a controlled environment for them... what the video didn't show, but the wikipedia page does mention, is that the government doesn't allow gun owners to have ammunition at home except in certain circumstances, in which cases they go to a govt. designated area to get such ammunition, in a controlled and organized manner. In the US, you can go to any Wal-Mart and buy ammo. And what's the point? With the exception of a few rounds for home protection, and rounds for hunting which could be controlled and purchased/sold at govt. checkpoints, don't you just shoot guns at the range anyway? Swiss laws have ammo sold at ranges that must be used at the range, I think this would be a great plan to copy in the US.
Also I just want to say how great it is to have a forum like this where everyone, no matter what stance they have on this hot button issue, is civilized and calm about their posts and their opinions, and gives others the chance to state their case. I have been on a local site discussing the same matter and it is ridiculous... heated, rash, judgmental, etc. and I just bowed out as it was just getting absurd.
I have lots of family/friends that hunt and some that even take advantage of the new open carry law here in Oklahoma, which I think is just silly. In fact, many businesses don't allow open carry on their property because they don't prefer it.
While I don't agree with all of their stances on the issue, I certainly respect their opinion as I know they see the world differently than I do.