Yesterday I had a brilliant electric guitar lesson. I've been trying to understand modes for ages and I just wasn't getting it. I used the BMR to try to make some sense of it all and I think I#ve understood it better now. So....the 7th note of G Major is F#....play a G major scale over that note and you're in the Locrian mode....banned by the church for its satanic sound. This is a whole new world to me. If anyone can enlighten me further, please can you open a topic in 'discussions' as I'm getting very interested in it all - been plucking nylon far too long!
banned by the church? who knows. anyway, it is a pretty heavy sounding riff.
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hell yea to this mode, i love it along with the phrygian,
good stuff m8!
yea, those churches :P banned the devils interval, so no
diminish scale back in the days too :'(
u could combine some scales/modes together with this, try
an Aeolian and phrygian, u'll get some interesting sounds.
so hit the D major scale/ B minor to get the Phrygian
and for the Aeolian which is just a minor scale, go F# minor :)
goodluck in ur exploring of modes, im learning them too.
This place is so prolific it's hard to keep up! I've been working on a piece which makes heavy use of the "Devil's Interval" for the last three weeks, and here you are one step ahead of me! I love this, that 3 tone interval gives a nice dark feel and I've come up with a similar bass line which emphasizes the interval. This is great, a really dark feel which I like (altho I have to say I'm not satanically inclined in any way!). Apparnetly King Crimson used it a lot and it is much beloved in heavy metal circles.
I didn't know anything about the Devil's Interval but I found out about it as the piece I am working on is inspired by an early work of horror/sci fi called "The King In Yellow". In researching this I found out about the Devil's Interval and realized I had included it in the piece inadvertantly (I know nothing about music theory). So I then exploited this more in the piece. I'm going to have to get a move on and finish it.
Rather than start a separate thread, here's a couple of links that will tell you more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritone)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4952646.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4952646.stm) (read the comments, some are really funny)
Cheers (or should I say doom?)
Nigel
Satan rocks f*cking hard by the sound of this. Such a great sound. Edgy and slightly demented, and darker than satan's f*ck spawn in a blackout. Not that he exists or anything, lol
The devils got all the best music,great effect with that devils interval thingy. I watched the latest Bill Baily DVD and he talks about on there. I know next to nothing about musical theory,think i'll research this myself. ;D
i have heard of Depeche Mode but thats it for me.
i play by ear....gonna have to get a plectrum coz it kinda hurts.
Tony J.
Watch out when playing this, if you get it too perfect you may just vanish, like in the Pete Townsend idea about the perfect note and all that Lifehouse stuff. In the end everybody vanished. That devils interval is key that opens up the door to that perfect sound. That is why it was banned. ::)
Quote from: Greeny on March 08, 2009, 12:05:52 PMSatan rocks f*cking hard by the sound of this. Such a great sound. Edgy and slightly demented, and darker than satan's f*ck spawn in a blackout. Not that he exists or anything, lol
;D ;D I'm with you Greeny ;) 8) 8)
Quote from: Witchita on March 09, 2009, 02:55:20 PMi play by ear....gonna have to get a plectrum coz it kinda hurts.
Tony J.
haha i get that, legand!
QuoteNot that he exists or anything, lol
Correction: He's not a he......I should know-I pay her child-support every month!! :-X
I got into modes a while ago, but unfortunately, I didn't stick with it...There's a few books out there---but the best I found on modes was Youtube videos. Joe Satriani has some impressive and informative videos on there...
Ha! Ha! You thought you'd got rid of me... I hadn't gone - it was just the devil's interval.
But seriously, it's such an interesting subject. I knew absolutely nothing about modes until I went to this genius guitar teacher who knows everything, every style, classical, rock, jazz blue grass. Wish I learned about it years ago....
Quote from: jackofall on March 23, 2009, 09:06:40 AMHa! Ha! You thought you'd got rid of me... I hadn't gone - it was just the devil's interval.
But seriously, it's such an interesting subject. I knew absolutely nothing about modes until I went to this genius guitar teacher who knows everything, every style, classical, rock, jazz blue grass. Wish I learned about it years ago....
Yes... but look at what you've done already WITHOUT knowing those modes! Sometimes I think a lack of theory is important... sometimes it's the instinctive, gut-felt stuff that is the most emotive and powerful for the listener. But I also know that learning can take you in unexpected directions. It's finding the right balance I guess... :)
Don't know 'bout the devil, thought he wore Prada these days. This is a killer riff that cuts right to the bone.
G.
I could be wrong, but I believe the "Tri-tone/Devil's note" was resurrected to this moden world after all the hype in the middle ages by the chuch, by none other than Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath, the song was Sympyom of the universe, the song which some would claim gave birth to Heavy Metal in the 60's. Ref: Sam Dunn's doco "Metal a head bangers journey"
Just thought I would put that out there, right, wrong or otherwise!!!!
Hail all Metalheads.........Jim2711...... ;D
And while this is bumped back up, I thought I'd share that we've just covered the Tri-tone interval in my college Ear-Training and Sight-Singing class....As much I love and respect Tony Iommi, I gotta think this interval has been used in many pieces between the Middle Age and Black Sabbath, but you have a reference so, lol I don't know....I do strongly feel, that Sabbath was responsible for bringing it to the guitar and "giving birth" to Metal....The Tri-tone interval is an interval that is played either an augmented 4th or a diminished 5th from it's root...Sounds like crap, pretty much lol...but I like it!!
Wasn't it the Black Sabbath song that went "What is this that stands before me? Figure in black that points at me..." etc. I remember listening to this as a teenager. Definite Locrian mode on their first album.
I also remember thinking that 'me' and 'me' isn't great as a rhyme as it's the same word! Then the same technique was employed in "Generals gather in their masses. Just like witches at black masses..." Now that's not even trying is it!
Yeah, isn't that song called "Black Sabbath"? (by Black Sabbath) I always thought he said "I turn around......and it was Todd", I had a friend named Todd, so it always made me laugh.....and you're talking about "War Pigs"....Awesome song!! Faith No More re-did it in the 90s, i was a huge fan!!
Cool riff and mode find! Nicely exercised!
You got me thinking now...huh oh...scale theory is fun, but difficult, everytime I dabble in it, I learn something new.
Let's hear some more! I like it!
Evil!
OTD Bump.
Alex
I still haven't looked into this,i'm so lazy :-\