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Title: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: 64Guitars on February 21, 2012, 02:45:15 PM
I've noticed that a few members have been posting several songs almost every day. Although, we don't currently have any rule against this, I'd like to point out why this is bad for the site and for the poster.

We all post our songs with the hope of getting some positive feedback and encouragement from our peers. And we usually get it. That's what makes Songcrafters such a great site. But it's also a very active site and most of us don't have time to listen to all of the song posts and comment on them. So, when we check our unread messages and find that many of them are from one or two members who've been posting several songs per day, we feel overwhelmed and will often decide to skip all of that person's songs. Instead, we'll check out someone who's only posted one song and we'll post a comment on that song. So, if you want to get more feedback on your music, I'd recommend posting only one song at a time. Then wait a few days to give people a chance to listen and comment before you post another song. I think you'll find that people are much more responsive to your songs that way.

If you don't believe me, take a look at the posts in the Original Songs board, sorted by number of replies:

https://songcrafters.org/community/index.php?board=91.0;sort=replies;desc (https://songcrafters.org/forum/index.php?board=91.0;sort=replies;desc)

The song with the most replies (155!) is Geir's "This is a Song". So far this year, Geir has posted seven songs. That's an average of 1 song every 7.4 days or roughly one song per week. Yet his jukebox has 273 songs in it, so it's not that he doesn't have many songs to post -- it's just that he's wisely spread them out over a long period of time, giving other members time to take in each song and appreciate it. Geir's songs always get lots of comments. Of course, that's partly because he's such an incredibly talented musician and we all love him. :)  But I think that if he had started posting 3 or 4 songs every day when he joined Songcrafters years ago, many members wouldn't have bothered to listen. And those who did probably would have got fed up after a while. I think Phil Collins is an incredibly talented musician and I was a huge fan (I've seen him live with Genesis and with Brand X), but I'm one of the many people who got sick and tired of hearing his voice every time I turned on the radio. I think overexposure cost him a lot of fans. So my advice to all members is don't become the Phil Collins of Songcrafters. Become the Geir of Songcrafters instead. :)  Spread out your posts to give other members time to listen to them and comment instead of posting many songs in a short period of time.

Aside from the fact that many of your posts will be largely ignored if you post too frequently, it's also unfair to other members. A lot of people don't have time to visit the site every day. When they do get a chance to visit, there's no way they can listen to every song that's been posted since their last visit so they just check out a few songs from page one of their favourite board(s). If a few members are dominating page one because they're posting too frequently, that unfairly bumps other members to subsequent pages very quickly where they could go unnoticed. So, by reducing the frequency of your posts, you're not only improving your chances of getting comments, but you're also helping to keep a level playing field at Songcrafters so that each member has an equal chance of having their song listened to and commented on.

I think the main reason that some members post several songs per day is that they have a large collection of previously-recorded material (often spanning several decades) and they want to post it here to get some feedback. Please don't. We don't mind the occasional blast from the past but please don't post your older work too often. We want to hear what you've recorded this week, not what you did in 1986. So get out your recorder or fire up your favourite software DAW and record something new. If you need some inspiration, consider recording something for one of our current festivals. There's still time to record a protest song or something for VarietyFest (covers of songs by Dio, Captain Beefheart, Wire, Creedence Clearwater Revival, The Doors, or Neil Diamond) for our Jan/Feb festivals. And we'll soon be voting for our March/April festivals. I'm sure you can think of something to record for one of these festivals. Or record any song you like. It doesn't have to be for a festival. Although, there are some advantages to posting for a festival. Your song will be added to the festival jukebox and the extra attention of that often means that you'll get more comments than you might otherwise.

Most people who've got a large back catalogue of recordings already have them posted on another site such as SoundClick or alonetone. If you want people to listen to your older work, I'd recommend putting a link in your signature to another site containing your songs, with a comment like "To hear more of my music, please visit my SoundClick page" (or whatever). Better still, you can include icons for popular music sites in your signature which are linked to your own pages. This guide describes how to do that:

https://songcrafters.org/community/index.php?action=articles;sa=view;article=4 (https://songcrafters.org/forum/index.php?action=articles;sa=view;article=4)

If you need help editing your signature, send me a PM and I'd be glad to help you.


Another important tip for getting more comments is to make sure you comment on the songs of other members. We all support each other here. So to get comments, you have to give comments. This hasn't been a problem recently but in the past we've had a few new members who posted some songs, got lots of feedback, then disappeared without commenting on anyone else's songs. That's not fair and it's not how we do things here at Songcrafters.

You don't necessarily have to comment on the songs of each and every person who comments on your songs. I've seen that a few times and I think it's pretty obvious that those people are just trying to fulfill an obligation. Instead, you should comment on the songs that you like, regardless of who posted them. But you should try to keep the number of comments in the same ballpark as those that you received. For example, if you post a song and get about 20 comments, then you listen to 2 songs by other members and post a comment on each, don't pat yourself on the back and consider yourself a good member. There's a bit of an imbalance there. You need to listen to a lot more songs from other members and post more comments. I'm not suggesting that you count the comments to your song posts and make sure that you post exactly the same number of comments to other people's songs. That would be silly. But you know whether you're in the same ballpark or not without counting. Just try to give as much as you get (or more). If you do, you'll find that there will always be people who are happy to comment on your songs when you post them. Unless you've become the Phil Collins of Songcrafters. ;)

If you're one of the people who've been over-posting, please don't feel bad about it. It's largely my fault for not making things like this clear to new members. We've never had many rules here at Songcrafters. I've noticed in other forums that people seldom pay any attention to rules anyway. Instead, we just try to set a good example and hope that new members will follow it. That usually works quite well. In the few cases where it doesn't, we will either send the member a friendly personal PM or post a public message such as this. The public message isn't intended to embarass or offend anyone but it has the advantage that other new members might see it in the future. Still, I should probably update the Welcome message that goes out to new members to make them aware of our posting etiquette and the advantages of spreading out their song posts over a longer period of time.

Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Migs on February 21, 2012, 03:45:48 PM
sticky ?
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: 64Guitars on February 21, 2012, 03:51:00 PM
Quote from: Migs on February 21, 2012, 03:45:48 PMsticky ?

Done.

Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Vaisvil on February 23, 2012, 12:17:39 PM
Since I recently posted a song from the 80's amongst a flurry of other posts I can't help but feel this is in part a message to me. I would like to add a couple points here. First off - what ARE my thoughts on your long post 64 guitars?:

https://songcrafters.org/community/index.php?topic=13646.0;msg=177997 (https://songcrafters.org/forum/index.php?topic=13646.0;msg=177997)

An answer to the question posed by facemask93  Shame nobody commented on this , i loved it , i love Tull , and i know where you are coming from , i think you did a great job , you got a really nice tone on your acoustic , and the vox is fine , all round enjoyable listen man

Robbie Burns


And I said...

Thank you very much for the comments!

I have to say that I don't come here often and usually a community gives back what it receives and I haven't been giving much. I'm spread pretty thin these days and my main focus is microtonal music - but I do enjoy my roots - like this album by Tull.


Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Vaisvil on February 23, 2012, 12:32:18 PM
I would like to add that a public post like this makes songcrafters look less than friendly.

I have been a part of (or ran) a lot of communities and usually this sort of thing is better handled by private messages. Sure it takes more effort but it reduces the possibility of negative controversy by orders of magnitude.


And I really have to take issue with but please don't post your older work too often. We want to hear what you've recorded this week, not what you did in 1986.

So Sgt. Pepper is out? We shouldn't listen to Deep Purple or Led Zeppelin because they had their peak in the 70's? Somehow Devo's performance of Satisfaction has lost its impact? http://www.myspace.com/video/al/devo-satisfaction/1041008 (http://www.myspace.com/video/al/devo-satisfaction/1041008)

With all due respect that is an absurd statement to me. If you wrote a killer song in 86 I'd want to hear it. Tape hiss and all.

Best Regards,

Chris Vaisvil
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Blooby on February 23, 2012, 12:57:30 PM

I understand this will be close to an impossibility, but I suggest we leave this thread alone before everybody and their brother goes on the defensive. 

Just a thought.

Blooby
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Tony W on February 23, 2012, 01:00:33 PM
I think it's a well written, well articulated post 64, thank you.

It's against everything in my being, but I'll be taking Blooby's advice. 
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Gnasty on February 23, 2012, 01:06:24 PM


:-X
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Burtog on February 23, 2012, 01:55:11 PM
The first post (64's) makes sense to me!
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Oldrottenhead on February 23, 2012, 02:00:03 PM
Quote from: Burtog on February 23, 2012, 01:55:11 PMThe first post (64's) makes sense to me!
yup good advice i should heed , i posted song 11 and 12 of my uke album  one after the other, 12 garnered a good response song 11 zilch. ;D ::)
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: 64Guitars on February 23, 2012, 02:07:03 PM
I think you've misunderstood my point, Chris. If you've recorded this week a Tull cover from the 1970s, or some 18th century Bach, please post it. We'd love to hear it. Music from any era is more than welcome. I was only talking about the older recordings of members; not the era in which the song was written or originally recorded. Songcrafters is not the place for people to post their back catalogues of recordings. We're a forum for people who are actively recording music now. As such, we're mainly interested in hearing what our members are recording today, not what they've done in the past. Although, as I've already said, the occasional older recording is acceptable. We'd just like our members to concentrate on making new recordings instead.

I can't believe that anyone here is currently recording 3 or 4 songs every day. So when I see someone posting with that kind of frequency, I have to assume that they're posting their back catalogue. We don't want that. As I tried to make clear in my earlier post, that kind of posting frequency is bad for the site, unfair to other members, and bad for the poster because he or she will not get many comments.

I think, by far, our most prolific songwriter and poster has to be oldrottenhead. He has posted well over 500 songs. Almost all of them were new recordings. But he's also the earliest active member of Songcrafters and has posted those songs over a period of more than four years. That works out to an average of about one song every 3 or 4 days. Most of our members don't produce anywhere near that kind of output. I think that an average of one song every three days is about the limit of what we should accept. Nobody needs to post 3 or 4 songs every day. And it's very unlikely that anyone can record 3 or 4 songs every day. So if members only post the songs they're recording now, then posting frequency shouldn't be a problem. There are plenty of other music sites where members can post their older recordings. And, as I said, our members are welcome to post a link to those sites in their signatures so that other members can go to those sites and listen to the older recordings if they're interested. But we don't want large numbers of older recordings posted here, especially on a frequent basis.

Quote from: Vaisvil on February 23, 2012, 12:32:18 PMI would like to add that a public post like this makes songcrafters look less than friendly.

I have been a part of (or ran) a lot of communities and usually this sort of thing is better handled by private messages. Sure it takes more effort but it reduces the possibility of negative controversy by orders of magnitude.

As I said, we sometimes handle these situations privately and sometimes publicly. Each way has its pros and cons. A person who receives a private message may feel that they're being treated unfairly. Why single out one person? By posting publicly, it's clear that the comments apply to all members -- past, present, and future. So no member need feel that he or she is being treated unfairly. And it helps to avoid future problems since new members might see this topic, or we can direct them to it.

I don't think you'll find a friendlier or more supportive music community than Songcrafters. We think Songcrafters is the best music community for people who are actively recording music today and want to share those recordings with their peers to get feedback and support. We'll continue to do whatever we can to ensure that Songcrafters remains the best community for that audience. Other communities may have a different audience or different objectives. They can do what they like. We have no obligation or desire to be like them.

Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Vaisvil on February 23, 2012, 03:56:28 PM
Outside of the good observation that multiple posts by one person tends to bury the posts of other people (which is really a site design problem) I think this conversation is kind of over kill.

Its some unwritten law of the internet that different communities like different music. It often happens what I post on one site will not get response at another, or possibly any other site. As a composer one sort of need to take it in stride. Each community has its own definition of good and bad.

It is important to mention that so far in my experience here no one seems to be mean, overtly egotistical or any other such personality types that plague other sites. I never felt unwelcomed and never had a question as to my responses to posts here => until this thread.

I also hasten to point out that what song crafters does have is an extremely high level of musicianship. Higher than most sites I visit. So, to be honest, its a level I don't reach very often. With that in mind I found my not receiving comments on everything I post unsurprising. Especially as I slowly work through the incredible amount of great work posted here. (the Strawberry Fields solo acoustic and I Can See for Miles covers come quickly to mind) 

On the other hand I am confident that if I posted something this community found mind blowing there would be many comments even if I never posted a comment on anyone else's work. i.e. as a community exceptional work seems to be rewarded with recognition.  I can certainly deal with that type of trade off.

So, to be honest, if it were up to me, I'd edit your welcome message making your posting etiquette clear, delete this thread, and move on.

One more point. If if I were the fifth Beatle and posted a track from 1967 that almost made it onto Sgt. Pepper but George Martin talked me out of including would you *really* turn your back on it?



Personally I think the result would be that most everyone here would be astonished. Not bored.

But... I will be sure to post fresh meat from now on. And, yeah, I have done 3 or 4 songs in a day. Actually, in a few hours. But that is me.  I thrive on a site like http://improvfriday.com/ (http://improvfriday.com/) where the whole point is rapid composition.
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Hook on February 23, 2012, 04:03:21 PM
I read this an hour & a half ago on my phone. Couldn't wait to get home and comment cause i love the uncomfortable stuff, and sure enough 64 made everything well and good & I forgot what I wanted to say anyhow. I have been posting alot lately, not multiple times a day but quite a bit, and love the comments I get and definitely see less comments when i post more often. As much as I like the comments, I do!, I more like the sharing with peers aspect of the site! I initially used the yahoo group for  info & help I needed and posted a few tunes in 2009 but found the site very confusing back then. I was also recording music for children almost exclusively at the time and not interested in sharing those tunes. When I started to slow down the night gigs last August i really missed playing/performing music for adults and was reminded of this site from the yahoo group which still gets a ? every now and then. This site seemed to have had a major facelift and was very user friendly and I jumped in.
This is the only site I'm active on, I have an alonetone page and posted my 1st cd, and will post my next there. I like how you can post playlists/cd's and the web address is clean and nice,( www.alonetone.com/hook ) but I would perfer to document & share my recordings here, mostly because of the quality of talent, I respect the opinions I get and I love to listen and I do try to listen, everyday if I can often for hours. I download what I like and I comment on what I want to. I can't comment on everything but I try to often, I have my favorite writers/singers, players but I just dig the vibe here.
Mostly it has inspired me in major ways, the festivals are excellent exercises in recording/writing/arranging/playing and I find it super fun. I've only collaborated a few times, but enjoyed them immensely and will be seeking out some future collaborations soon. I love to hear someone improve recording to recording, lord knows I try to get better with each one.Prolific writers like ORH and Greeny impress me so much, I don't like everything they do, but I love to listen to them all and they inspire me to write more and better. I'm not hear for fans, but have found kindred spirits and perhaps some friends. I'm hear as a writer and recorder guy!  
Rock on!
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Hook on February 23, 2012, 04:06:45 PM
Forgot to talk about the actual topic...sorry!
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Oldrottenhead on February 23, 2012, 05:04:55 PM
rock on
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Oldrottenhead on February 23, 2012, 06:26:55 PM
i know i post far too much i cant help it...............i try to stem it..................... but i get inspired by too many things..........................as blue nile once sang "i love this life"





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Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Vaisvil on February 23, 2012, 08:32:02 PM
what he^ said.... :-)
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: henwrench on February 24, 2012, 02:43:00 AM
     Nothing to do with what's going on here, but I've spotted a couple of references to server space and costs involved to go bigger and streaming speed issues, blah blah blah. So I for one have decided to post all my shit to other sites such as Alonetone etc., and link them to Songcrafters in an effort to preserve what we know and love here...It's a pity about the lack of inclusion for our Member Jukeboxes here, as I truly feel Songcrafters is my 'home' on the web, the place that started this particular path for me, but when the mighty 64 Guitars raises these issues (server space, site speeds etc.) ...we gotta take heed for the life of our site. In future, I'll only be uploading Festival participants here. I love this place. This site has seen me go from being a freak who made up some 'songs' for no one, to being a freak who gets shit played on the radio. How mad is that? And I wouldn't have done it without the support of the Songcrafters members and Admin team.


                                                                   henwrench
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: maxit on February 24, 2012, 04:26:43 AM
I guess somehow 64 is right about not to post too frequently - it is fair and wise. I'll try (no promise I'll succeed ;-). Don't agree instead with any kind of limitation over what you should post LOL (this could lead to some strange things, in my opinion...)
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Tony W on February 24, 2012, 07:35:26 AM
Quote from: henwrench on February 24, 2012, 02:43:00 AMIt's a pity about the lack of inclusion for our Member Jukeboxes here

The member jukeboxes was an incredible bit of custom code completely written by 64 guitars. In a nutshell, it searches each member, checks to see if there is an MP3 attachment associated with the post, then dumps it into a reference file. The inherent problem is that remotely linked files ARE NOT ATTACHED, and that's why the jukeboxes are not populated.

From a nerd standpoint, it would be awesome to see what a programmer could come up with as a work around, but the reality is, the jukeboxes are an incredible courtesy that 64 guitars invented. To get the jukeboxes to work,supporting other sites is ridiculously complex.
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Gnasty on February 24, 2012, 08:15:18 AM


I`m sorta off topic here too but let`s also remember that time is money usually globally, and here that is not the case at all. To mention a billion times how much time 64 and Admin put into this site is not enough. Adding up your comments is a chunk of time and just uploading is time.

Now I`m a slow song poster but I feel 2 songs a week is an amicable thing to do but that`s just my opinion. If you do offsite it doesn`t flood the jukebox which is a good thing. When i look at the recent jukebox which is 3 days of songs and see the same name on there 5 times i`m honestly kinda hesitant to comment on all (except ORH, i`ve been used to him from the start :))

When it comes to comments, i heard people asking what`s the best way to listen to someones songs on here???
There are so many ways! You have a mouse, just click on jukeboxes, unread posts, members jukes, hidden gems etc. Don`t understand how that question is asked. Another thing that i do sometimes is I see who is online and i listen to their last song posts and they can see i posted while they are already online. It could make their day!

 At the end of the day everyone doesn`t like the same type of music. Impossible! BUT every genre has it`s instrument and vocal that has talent and that is what i listen for!!

To reference to this site to any other is ridiculous to me at all. Which other site doesn`t have advertisement and each page you turn some annoying prick saying " :)Congratulations! You Won!" ??
Roland should actually fund this site for all the great support it gives their product. They probably would if they knew about it!



Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: phantasm777 on February 24, 2012, 10:00:43 AM
just some observations.

if a frequent poster is using SC bandwidth, then i understand the problem with that, but if you're using your own link to another site. it helps SC and should be considered pertaining to frequent posts. also i understand there is not a way to do it yet, but those who do link outside of the site, help the sites bandwidth yet are indirectly punished by not being on the jukebox and such.

i am still rusty on guitar and bass, new to keys and vocals, my full talent for now, lies in drumming, but once i work out those kinks i'll be creating a lot. i am assuming that not multi posting applies to curent works too EVEN if you use your own link, just to be clear.

also so far everywhere i've read here on the subject, say, there is no problem if you dont like a genre or style and dont post, yet if you dont post enough replies it "can" be used against you in less replies, as refferenced. meaning you might not get replies back. thats ok if they dont like my genres styles, but hopefully its not done to "get back" at someone for not posting to someone else, or cause they dont post enough to many. ( i dont think anyone here would be like that but there is the slight possibility, i dont know)

i've said here before everyone here has talent, there are no sucky musicians, songwriters here, that i have heard, even in the songs i didnt like cause of the genre ( one example, if i see a nirvana cover i am not going to listen, i cant stand them) i cannot fairly comment. other than possibly brown nosing and give a compliment indirectly, which im not going to do, i prefer to be real. but at least you can know where i am coming from. cause we all have groups, styles, genres we dont like.

i see a point in what maxit says, about limitations, however i also understand it is not his or my site in that respect.

from day one i posted my music from my own website, having experience in working in forums, being an OP in some some sites in the past, even IRC, i knew SC would have only so many GB's of space for music, and each posting, whether words images or music lessens it, to varying degrees. especially being new i didnt want to do that. so only my words waste bandwidth. (which wastes the least compared to images, movie files and music) :P

also henwrench mentions about bandwidth and conserving it, im assumming he is reffering to multi posting songs. the thing is, if the link is from an outside source, which is in some cases, then its not wasting bandwidth. this should also be considered?

however, i am for obeying rules. and when i get to the point im making  a lot of sogs and it comes time to post them, i'll deal with it when the time comes, cause thats not gonna happen anytime soon so it's not much of a concern for me, as far as me doing such a thing.
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Hook on February 24, 2012, 11:10:49 AM
Quote from: Gnasty on February 24, 2012, 08:15:18 AMNow I`m a slow song poster

Quality over quantity brother, I should learn that!

Quote from: Gnasty on February 24, 2012, 08:15:18 AMRoland should actually fund this site for all the great support it gives their product. They probably would if they knew about it!



I always kind of thought they might be secretly behind this place. has anyone approached them? I would think they would be interested in this kind of publicity!
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Tony W on February 24, 2012, 11:16:32 AM
Quote from: Hook on February 24, 2012, 11:10:49 AMI always kind of thought they might be secretly behind this place. has anyone approached them? I would think they would be interested in this kind of publicity!

I prefer a private site, owned operated and managed by musicians FOR musicians. Sponsorship wouldn't keep this place being what it is. We are thrive on mutual respect and a general compassion towards each other, it's been that way all along. Roland can't buy that.
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Hook on February 24, 2012, 11:39:22 AM
I can't argue with that Tony! I was thinking more an arrangement where they pay and leave us alone. There name is already all over this place, I think maybe they should make a donation to the cause. The common cause of creativity merging with technology and making sweet music!
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Gnasty on February 24, 2012, 12:39:57 PM
Quote from: Tony W on February 24, 2012, 11:16:32 AM
Quote from: Hook on February 24, 2012, 11:10:49 AMI always kind of thought they might be secretly behind this place. has anyone approached them? I would think they would be interested in this kind of publicity!

I prefer a private site, owned operated and managed by musicians FOR musicians. Sponsorship wouldn't keep this place being what it is. We are thrive on mutual respect and a general compassion towards each other, it's been that way all along. Roland can't buy that.

Quote from: Tony W on February 24, 2012, 11:16:32 AM
Quote from: Hook on February 24, 2012, 11:10:49 AMI always kind of thought they might be secretly behind this place. has anyone approached them? I would think they would be interested in this kind of publicity!

I prefer a private site, owned operated and managed by musicians FOR musicians. Sponsorship wouldn't keep this place being what it is. We are thrive on mutual respect and a general compassion towards each other, it's been that way all along. Roland can't buy that.

Yes yes! Agree agree!
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: bruno on February 24, 2012, 01:58:45 PM
My 10 cents worth. I've posted quite a bit - most of which I recorded in January (I set my self a goal to record 10 tracks this year - and hit a rich vein of creativity) - that's at an end - so only new stuff from now :-)

Actually, thats not the point I wanted to make. Nothing in this life is for free. This is a great community - and works off the back of the effort of those who run it. For that, I would like to say, even as a newbie - a big thanks to those who run this site. It takes time, it takes cash and it takes commitment, and sometimes it goes unnoticed cos we are wrapped up in our latest song. So a big, big thank you - who ever you are, I presume the administrators. I'm quite interested in the history of this site - how it came to be. There is nothing (that I can find) on who creates this excellent site.

What I will say is that I'm more excited at the prospect of collaborating. To me, the though of working with people across the globe, musically is a truly fantastic prospect. And hey, some will work, and some won't - but thought of trying is simply fantastic. I love music, and hope to never be 'up my own arse' (wonderful Brit phrase - I'll let our US friends work that one out :-)

Let me say, I am a firm believer that being technically a great player doesn't equal making great music - music is about the moment, about how much you can move the audience, not how well you or do not play. That's not to say great players don't make great music, but its not a foregone conclusion. Having played for some 35 years - I think a great sound, and what you choose to do with that sound is much more important than how fast you can play. Technique simply gives you more options.

Still thats my musings - Looking forward to collaborating to all and whom wants to :-)

B.
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Dmann on February 24, 2012, 08:22:34 PM
  I've got in shit before for just being blunt and saying stuff as it should be without the beating around the bush, so first off, if anything I say offends you, then your taking it personally and it's not meant as such. 2nd, Anyone complaining about this needs to take a step back and realize what is actually being said.

 I haven't posted in a long time, I don't even visit the site too often lately, been really busy with life,

 BUT.....Being completely honest here, I joined this board back when there was only about 15-20 regular visitors' and as the site grew, I found it harder and harder to comment on peoples work because I don't know about the rest of you but I don't critique someone elses' piece of art that they spent hours and hours on by giving it a once over and quickly judging it, then moving on.

 This is something that really pissed me off about one of my old bands, the drummer and bass player would give a quick listen to something I worked on daily for a month and then proceed to tell me how they had an opinion on it after one quick listen. No offence but IMO they didn't even give it a chance, and unless your some music producer that does it as a full time job 10 hours a day for the last 20 years, you are no where near qualified to judge my creation after a single listen.

 I mean thats awesome if all you want is people to post "great job," or "cool song." And sometimes thats all that can be said, but really whats the point in posting it on the net then? If no one is going to remember it tommorrow because they just listened to 15 other songs once over and posted "nice job," it pretty much defeats the entire purpose of sharing. Which leads to the point I believe 64 is trying to make here. Too much of anything is never a good thing.

 I don't know about a lot of you but I am lucky to get a free hour to browse the net, which means I can check out maybe 2 or 3 songs and give them the actual attention deserved and the time to post a review. While I realize we are not all pro's here, I do believe if you spent the time and effort to create a song and post it on this board, your doing so because you want the community to hear it and review it. What 64 is trying to say is, when there are tooo many posts, then no one is getting the attention deserved.
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: phantasm777 on February 24, 2012, 09:50:52 PM
64guitars, i think i have a legit question. if i do a new verion of an old song i did in a band way back, isnt that like doing a new version of a cover song? as long it is something newly done. i have 2 songs sitting in limbo i'd like to get done which are remakes of songs i did in the 70's. wouldnt that qualify as long as it is something done now rather than putting some old recording on here?
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: bruno on February 25, 2012, 01:32:00 AM
There are some really good points being made here, and goes to the heart of what this site is about.  Totally get the point of back catalogue - and over posting, there is a saying of 'don't feel the quality, feel the width'. I am a little torn on this though, and there is a balance to maintain a vibrant community.

Dmann - you make a really valid point, and totally understand where you are coming from. The problem (and the beauty) of this community is that it is pretty anonymous. Therefore I don't know if I will offend, even offering constructive criticism - so sometimes I err on the side of caution and perhaps don't post - which is a shame, because we all learn through our mistakes - and we can all learn from each other, no matter what the skill or ability.

Music is very personal, what one person thinks is great, another will dislike. Me and the misses listen for completely different things in music - I love chord progression, she loves lyrics. So I'll listen to a I, IV, V piece and think its dull, she will think the lyrics are fantastic - but that's the way it goes.

I like to think that I can take constructive criticism, the reality is any criticism is uncomfortable, but if I want to put my creations in the public domain, I have to accept the full range of reactions - and that some people will simply hate what I do, some will like it. What I hope is that people will constructively critique by work, and offer 'have you thought about this ..' or 'I personally would do ...' or 'I'd remix that if I were you ...' and hopefully 'I really liked that because ..' - as 'good job' doesn't really tell you a whole lot. That said, most of the folk hear do the above really well. It gives an opportunity to feed back as well, to share your findings such as 'I got that sound by doing x, y and z' - which again helps us all learn. Too be honest though, not easy answers, and this site will struggle with this question for as long as it exists.

Finally, I would like to say, if I post that I like it or love it - I really mean it.

And I'll say it again, a big, big thank you to those people who keep this site up and running, so that we can share our music, thoughts and ideas.
B.
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Saijinn Maas on February 25, 2012, 11:32:23 AM
...

I had something to add... But after remembering what happened the last time I did, I think it may be smarter to keep quiet.  ;D
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: 64Guitars on February 25, 2012, 01:43:46 PM
Quote from: phantasm777 on February 24, 2012, 09:50:52 PM64guitars, i think i have a legit question. if i do a new verion of an old song i did in a band way back, isnt that like doing a new version of a cover song? as long it is something newly done. i have 2 songs sitting in limbo i'd like to get done which are remakes of songs i did in the 70's. wouldnt that qualify as long as it is something done now rather than putting some old recording on here?

Certainly! Lots of our members have redone songs from their past. As long as it's a new recording, that's fine.

Perhaps a bit of history of the site would help people to understand where we're coming from and why we feel the way we do about older recordings. The site was founded by Pedro on December 16, 2007 as microrecorders.org. He had just bought the new (at that time) Boss Micro BR and, seeing that there weren't a lot of support communities for it, he created one. He posted the first song as an example of what can be done on the Micro BR. Then oldrottenhead and others began posting songs that they had created on their Micro BRs. Since the Micro BR was very new, all of the songs posted were newly-recorded.

After a year or so, the site was renamed to BossBR.net in an effort to open it up to users of other Boss recorders. We started to get new members who owned the BR-600, BR-900, and other Boss recorders. These members might have posted a few recordings that were maybe a year or two old (because the BR-600, BR-900, etc. had been available longer than the Micro BR), but mostly they got into the spirit of the site and posted new songs they'd just recorded.

In December 2009, we had another name change (https://songcrafters.org/forum/index.php?topic=5462.0) to Songcrafters.org. This was meant to open up the site to people who use other brands of recorders (Zoom, TASCAM, etc.) or software DAWs (Sonar, Cubase, Reaper, etc.). This was when we started to notice the problem with older recordings. Up until this point, our members were almost exclusively users of Boss recorders. Since none of these recorders were more than a few years old, nobody had large back catalogues of songs recorded on their Boss recorder, so they primarily posted new recordings. Since it takes time to create these new recordings, very few people (other than oldrottenhead ;)) posted more than one song per week. Most of us post much less frequently than that. But after the change to Songcrafters, we started to notice that we'd occassionally get a new member who had a large back catalogue of previously-recorded songs and started posting all of them at once (I recall one member a couple of years ago who posted 20+ songs in two days). We found this very annoying. It's not what we were used to before the name change, and it's not how we want the site to evolve. We've always consisted of people who are actively recording now, usually because they just bought a new recorder and they're excited about it and want to share what they've created. Posting frequency was never an issue before the name change because people were only posting new songs and they couldn't record them fast enough for it to become a problem. But when people started coming here with large back catalogues of previously-recorded songs, posting frequency became an issue. It didn't happen very often, so we tried to deal with each case as it happened rather than posting a bunch of strict rules. A couple of people took offense where none was intended and left Songcrafters. That's unfortunate, but we tried our best to make them understand and assure them that they're welcome here. Others completely understood our point and were happy to comply with our wishes, and they're still active and happy members today.

We really want Songcrafters to continue being a community for people who are actively recording music today. We want to encourage all of our members to take part in the festivals and record new music. Keeping the music new and fresh helps to keep it exciting and gives us something in common.

We have nothing against old songs or old recordings. A bit of tape hiss isn't a problem and often adds character to a recording. But we don't want Songcrafters to be about the past. We want everyone to get involved by making new recordings and sharing them here. If everyone concentrates on making new recordings, we should never have a problem with posting frequency because nobody can record songs fast enough for it to become a problem. So we'll continue to discourage people from posting their back-catalogues and urge them to record new songs instead. I hope everyone understands and respects our view and will comply with it.

Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: fenderbender on February 25, 2012, 06:14:54 PM
Nice comments
very varied -I have always loved the variety and talent on here and I still do -big time
I look in and listen to most -OK -truthfully all the songs -without logging in a lot of the time
and jaaaaazzzz man the talent on here ----

My problen can be be cos Im an oldie is that -
some of the music -I dont feel qualified to comment on -
which can maybe lead to people thinking that I might be ignoring their music--
that is not my intention -

I have learned everything I know about recording on Crafters --and it is a special place
and always will be --
so keep up the good work
switch on and record and post
and thank you guys

respect
Tommy
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Hook on February 25, 2012, 07:15:57 PM
Quote from: bruno on February 25, 2012, 01:32:00 AMI like to think that I can take constructive criticism, the reality is any criticism is uncomfortable, but if I want to put my creations in the public domain, I have to accept the full range of reactions - and that some people will simply hate what I do, some will like it. What I hope is that people will constructively critique by work, and offer 'have you thought about this ..' or 'I personally would do ...' or 'I'd remix that if I were you ...' and hopefully 'I really liked that because ..' - as 'good job' doesn't really tell you a whole lot. That said, most of the folk hear do the above really well. It gives an opportunity to feed back as well, to share your findings such as 'I got that sound by doing x, y and z' - which again helps us all learn. Too be honest though, not easy answers, and this site will struggle with this question for as long as it exists.


As I read this earlier today on my phone it really struck a chord as I also like to think that I can handle constructive criticism, I don not like it from my wife but I think here I would value it. I might disagree and ignore it or it might really make sense to me, who cares, as has been said what makes sense to one might sound like nonsense to another. I have always liked the way Ferryman will offer suggestions, very encouraging and polite but also to the point, and pretty on the spot also. I for one have crap equipment other than my br and my pa (Fishman as220, it's awesome!), I should say I have mostly mid-range - low quality/cost equipment. Keeping in strings for me with work  runs $30 to $60 a week depending on the season, we have 2 here almost summer(now) and Summer (very soon) so new equipment is almost always shelved unless necessary.
Anyhow, I'm rambling and need to stop so my point is, if you don't like something move onto the next. If you likes something and listened to whole song, say you liked it, dug it, cool whatever. If you thought it was the beshizzell, well talk it up, come back later and talk it up again, make a fuss, burn an effigy, get naked, rock on!
If you can say something constructive say it nice, I want to hear it.
Rock on!
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Dmann on February 25, 2012, 11:21:04 PM
Quote from: Saijinn Maas on February 25, 2012, 11:32:23 AM...

I had something to add... But after remembering what happened the last time I did, I think it may be smarter to keep quiet.  ;D

sound advice :)
 
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Tony W on February 26, 2012, 05:08:38 PM
Constructive Criticism-- I thrive on it. Well articulated, or insulting I thrive on it. I wish I got more of it in the past, but I'm sure people knew better, I would have hounded them relentlessly to teach me something. I cut my teeth musically here, so thanks to all those who taught me to play, record and produce.

The best piece of constructive criticism I think I may have received wasn't even intended to be advice. Gnasty said I looked like Steve Austin when on stage. While that's a hell of a compliment, I took something else away from it, I looked like a pissed off redneck! I have been working on smiling and moving a little ever since.

Oh yeah, This thread has not taken the turns I expected, probably because I didn't get too involved! Congrats on a civil thread my friends!
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: henwrench on February 27, 2012, 03:58:29 AM
I thought you were talking about The Six Million Dollar Man.

                                                                         henwrench
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Gnasty on February 27, 2012, 04:24:18 AM

I probably will delete those posts and there all just in fun.
Truthfully Tony is probably the most prime example ( to me)of why this site not only influences every type of musician being amateur, novice, or pro. In 2 years of basically just picking up the guitar and now playing on stage in a rock band is huge! That's why comments are important. They give one nothing but influence and confidence from one song post to the next!
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Flash Harry on February 27, 2012, 05:58:57 AM
Quote from: Gnasty on February 24, 2012, 08:15:18 AMRoland should actually fund this site for all the great support it gives their product. They probably would if they knew about it!

We do not take any form of support from Roland and would not want to. We're not in their pockets and although I own some Roland kit, I bought this anonymously from my local music stores.  Roland are aware of the site and to my knowledge have never tried to exert any influence over what we do. Certainly I have had no contact with any person representing Roland relating to this site.

We're not an advertising site, there are no adverts here except for the music that people write, play and post, it's about the music and the recording thereof.

We're privately and modestly funded, the site is managed and developed mainly by 64guitars who gives his time freely.

The aim of the site, although implicitly understood by the admin team and by many of the old hands, hasn't been explicitly written as a constitution, I don't think that I would like a constitution. And where there are things happening that the collective admin psyche feel is wrong and against the vision that we have, guidance is posted. And it's just guidance, there's no stick.

That's it, nothing sinister. Just four individual musos (there's only me and OldRottenHead who have met) who think that this is a pretty cool space and want to provide it for others to enjoy.

I like these threads. It's great to see the passion with which members fill their posts. It makes me realise that in a small way I'm making a difference to the world and that this place really matters to people. It makes it worthwhile.

Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: henwrench on February 27, 2012, 06:20:56 AM
Quote from: Flash Harry on February 27, 2012, 05:58:57 AMI like these threads. It's great to see the passion with which members fill their posts. It makes me realise that in a small way I'm making a difference to the world and that this place really matters to people. It makes it worthwhile.



    You are, indeed, the Egg Man.

                                                            henwrench
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Oldrottenhead on February 27, 2012, 12:50:55 PM
QuoteYou are, indeed, the Egg Man.
yup that's a wig on his avatar.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: bruno on February 27, 2012, 01:07:18 PM
Quote from: Hook on February 25, 2012, 07:15:57 PMKeeping in strings for me with work  runs $30 to $60 a week depending on the season

Crumbs, that really puts me to shame - I don't change my strings for months (in some cases years - or until they break which ever is sooner)! I haven't even changed the strings on the PRS, which was second hand and had old strings on that when I bought it, and I've had that for at least six months. A trip to the music store is in order! I am embarrassed!
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: 64Guitars on February 27, 2012, 01:22:07 PM
Quote from: bruno on February 27, 2012, 01:07:18 PMCrumbs, that really puts me to shame - I don't change my strings for months (in some cases years - or until they break which ever is sooner)! I haven't even changed the strings on the PRS, which was second hand and had old strings on that when I bought it, and I've had that for at least six months. A trip to the music store is in order! I am embarrassed!

I'm the same. I usually only change them when they break. You might find the following topic and poll interesting:

https://songcrafters.org/community/index.php?topic=13436.0 (https://songcrafters.org/forum/index.php?topic=13436.0)

I was surprised that many of our members change their strings quite often.

Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: bruno on February 27, 2012, 01:43:03 PM
@64Guitars - Nope, nope, no way - I can't accept that, they are lying to hide their shame :-)
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: phantasm777 on February 27, 2012, 02:30:45 PM
i keep them onlong as i can, as long as they aren;t growing thicker from debris :P. but if i break one, i figure best to start with a whole new set. far as bass, i only use flat wound, i dont like the trebliness of wirewound. thats why my bass sounds so bomming, that and the SG bass, my second fav bass next to a rick.
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Gnasty on February 27, 2012, 05:01:33 PM
Quote from: Flash Harry on February 27, 2012, 05:58:57 AMWe do not take any form of support from Roland and would not want to. We're not in their pockets and although I own some Roland kit, I bought this anonymously from my local music stores.  Roland are aware of the site and to my knowledge have never tried to exert any influence over what we do. Certainly I have had no contact with any person representing Roland relating to this site.


Yes that`s what i meant to post after, and was hoping will stay the same.
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: phantasm777 on March 13, 2012, 08:08:39 PM
was wondering  ... it's not looked upon too kindly here to post music of bands you were in, in the past. what about current? if you're in a band now, can you post songs from that here? personally i'd rather hear the individual artists or collabs from here.
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: 64Guitars on March 14, 2012, 08:53:17 AM
Quote from: phantasm777 on March 13, 2012, 08:08:39 PMwas wondering  ... it's not looked upon too kindly here to post music of bands you were in, in the past. what about current? if you're in a band now, can you post songs from that here?

Yes. New recordings of current bands are welcome. However, we'd prefer that the band members were all members of Songcrafters. This site is for music created by our members, not their friends and associates. I realize that a few of our members occasionally post recordings of their bands and those bands may contain members who are not members of Songcrafters. That's okay. I'm not trying to put an end to that. I just think we should discouarge other bands from coming here and posting their music without becoming active members of Songcrafters.

One type of band that will always be welcome and encouraged here is virtual bands like Jemima's Kite and Stepping Stone which were formed here by our members. These members collaborate on a more permanent and formal basis and record using the multitrack capabilities of their BR recorders. I think it's cool that people can meet here online, form a virtual band, and record several albums together without necessarily ever meeting in person.

Quotepersonally i'd rather hear the individual artists or collabs from here.

Personally, I agree with you. As I said above, Songcrafters is for recordings by our members, not their friends and associates. So I'd rather hear what our members are recording themselves. Also, most of the band recordings that have been posted here are live recordings. I've never cared much for live recordings, even of commercial artists. The few live albums in my record collection are among my least favourite albums. Songcrafters has always been about multitrack recording, especially the Boss BR series. I'd prefer to hear what people have created using those multitrack capabilities rather than a simple live stereo recording (you don't need a multitrack recorder for that).

Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: henwrench on March 14, 2012, 02:55:21 PM
Quote from: 64Guitars on March 14, 2012, 08:53:17 AMI think it's cool that people can meet here online, form a virtual band, and record several albums together without necessarily ever meeting in person.



            I know, it's mind blowing isn't it!!!! HA!! Incredible, the first time you collab is a real 21st century thrill.

                                                                       henwrench
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Oldrottenhead on March 14, 2012, 06:38:21 PM
the world is getting smaller but i widnae like tae paint it
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments//// RESPONSE to 64 Guitars..
Post by: MrBud on September 03, 2012, 08:38:20 AM
Quote from: Gnasty on February 27, 2012, 04:24:18 AMI probably will delete those posts and there all just in fun.
Truthfully Tony is probably the most prime example ( to me)of why this site not only influences every type of musician being amateur, novice, or pro. In 2 years of basically just picking up the guitar and now playing on stage in a rock band is huge! That's why comments are important. They give one nothing but influence and confidence from one song post to the next!


MR BUD : I wholeheartedly agree,that this rather unique site-in that there's no advertisements-
And members truly put their heart into it,and truly listen to others music,all the while building confidence in the artist.
[And these remarks are not to appease...] but to elevate artist to try aiming higher--and they DO care.
A really unique site---- not mobbed with members,or special interests or commercials,,,this would be the kind of web site where musicians would open up,and produce above average results....I believe once word gets around more,,,it can only get better,,,to 64 guitars.   Thanks  MR Bud
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Gary Carciello on July 27, 2015, 10:24:15 PM
Couple of thoughts, after reading this thread. Dman has good points, i have same experience.
But this is difficult thing overall, people are sensitive and music is quite personal thing.
That's why i have one friend, who is professional musician and hobby producer who gives me honest and raw feedback.

We send songs and raw demo ideas each other weekly and it has been going on, almost ten years. We both have get better all the time with a help of this system, but sometimes it still feels really bad to get bad reviews from him...it tell's something how difficult this "constructive feedback" - thing is.

I always give advise to my producer friends to get small and reliable bunch of listeners who gives you honest raw feedback(kind of first stage feedback), before you release anything public. My producer friend has opinion about"this is perfect, awesome!" - kind of reviews. "Feels good, but also useless, if you want to get better musician and producer".

Anyway, i think that overall, it is better to give only good feedback here.
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Oldrottenhead on March 15, 2016, 05:46:03 PM
i must be down to under a song a week these days, i need a good kick up the arse.
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Flash Harry on March 21, 2016, 04:01:56 PM
I think I'm down to a song a year or less.
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: 64Guitars on March 21, 2016, 08:19:20 PM
Quote from: Oldrottenhead on March 15, 2016, 05:46:03 PMi must be down to under a song a week these days, i need a good kick up the arse.

This is the 12th week of the year and you've posted 25 songs so far this year, so that's about 2.1 songs per week or 9.3 songs per month.

Note: 2007 and 2016 are partial years so the averages for those two years in the table below are wrong.



Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: 64Guitars on March 21, 2016, 08:26:48 PM
Quote from: Flash Harry on March 21, 2016, 04:01:56 PMI think I'm down to a song a year or less.

10 songs in 2015 isn't bad. And it's still early days for 2016.



Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: bruno on May 23, 2016, 12:26:17 PM
Cool stats
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Geir on December 03, 2017, 06:46:47 PM
Quote from: Flash Harry on March 21, 2016, 04:01:56 PMI think I'm down to a song a year or less.
I can't believe I've joined that club  :-[
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: danthecoat on May 28, 2020, 02:14:29 AM
Just found this thread and read the comments and i can see where 64 Guitars is coming from even though i joined and almost immediately started throwing up remasters of songs that are nearly 30 years old :(

Apologies as i didn't give it much thought but can understand that if everyone threw up their back catalogue from yesteryear it would swamp the new creative energy and this site has really got my creative juices flowing especially with the collaborations. So i am to make a mental note to leave the past in the past and push forward with my new songs.

I am going to re record my old songs as they never got the airing they deserved with what happened back then but ive been saying that for nigh on a year now and new stuff keeps taking over and in 10 months ive managed to re record.......................... none of them (lol)
 
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Greeny on May 28, 2020, 02:40:32 AM
Remember that WE don't know which are new ones and which ones are old ones  ;)

Quote from: danthecoat on May 28, 2020, 02:14:29 AMJust found this thread and read the comments and i can see where 64 Guitars is coming from even though i joined and almost immediately started throwing up remasters of songs that are nearly 30 years old :(

Apologies as i didn't give it much thought but can understand that if everyone threw up their back catalogue from yesteryear it would swamp the new creative energy and this site has really got my creative juices flowing especially with the collaborations. So i am to make a mental note to leave the past in the past and push forward with my new songs.

I am going to re record my old songs as they never got the airing they deserved with what happened back then but ive been saying that for nigh on a year now and new stuff keeps taking over and in 10 months ive managed to re record.......................... none of them (lol)
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: danthecoat on May 28, 2020, 03:14:58 AM
Quote from: Greeny on May 28, 2020, 02:40:32 AMRemember that WE don't know which are new ones and which ones are old ones  ;)

lol excellent point but i think the Hisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss would give mine away  ::)
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: StephenM on October 09, 2020, 12:32:33 AM
Quote from: Oldrottenhead on February 23, 2012, 06:26:55 PMi know i post far too much i cant help it...............i try to stem it..................... but i get inspired by too many things..........................as blue nile once sang "i love this life"





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Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: StephenM on October 09, 2020, 12:59:57 AM
I am at work and just read every single one of these posts....ha...that is just me!  I would say that humans are generally offended and don't realize when we offend...or worse...don't care.... well...for what it ain't worth.... I really appreciate this site alot...and it probably has to do with the fact that I actually found a few people who will listen to and appreciate my music and I will and do like wise in return... I am one of those people who loves almost everybody and everything so I have alot of enthusiasm and encouragement to offer.... I have found that even when my music is very good and i know it it is....almost no one else cares to take the time to listen... even the ones who supposedly love me the most... I have learned to be ok with that... but it is really nice to find some folks who do care enough to listen...
It seems as if there should be a tip jar or donation spot on here... I am not rich, but I am generous and I would love to give to a site that already has given me alot...Thank you to everyone....who runs this site and those who take the time to listen!
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Flash Harry on October 09, 2020, 03:33:39 PM
Thank you.

I think that all of the moderators think that this little oasis in the Interwebs is worth it. I'm glad that we still have a lively creative space after all this time and that we still attract great musicians and writers.

It's a nice place because of the people.
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: StephenM on December 19, 2020, 11:20:32 PM
Quote from: Oldrottenhead on February 23, 2012, 06:26:55 PMi know i post far too much i cant help it...............i try to stem it..................... but i get inspired by too many things..........................as blue nile once sang "i love this life"





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Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: StephenM on December 19, 2020, 11:23:25 PM
Quote from: Tony W on February 24, 2012, 07:35:26 AM
Quote from: henwrench on February 24, 2012, 02:43:00 AMIt's a pity about the lack of inclusion for our Member Jukeboxes here

The member jukeboxes was an incredible bit of custom code completely written by 64 guitars. In a nutshell, it searches each member, checks to see if there is an MP3 attachment associated with the post, then dumps it into a reference file. The inherent problem is that remotely linked files ARE NOT ATTACHED, and that's why the jukeboxes are not populated.

From a nerd standpoint, it would be awesome to see what a programmer could come up with as a work around, but the reality is, the jukeboxes are an incredible courtesy that 64 guitars invented. To get the jukeboxes to work,supporting other sites is ridiculously complex.
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as a relative new comer on here... I must say I love the jukeboxes....so good on ya 64....
Title: Re: Posting frequency / How to get more comments
Post by: Zoltan on August 07, 2021, 10:26:35 AM
I agree with this! I've been thinking about this (while spamming songs constantly :)). For me it's not necessarily about getting comments, but more like not constantly upping my own ditties higher on the forums. I'm going to try to become lazier, and hopefully i'll be able to post better songs in the future!